Aryana wrote:Wow, the 2000W Luna Apollo looks insane! WANT!

https://lunacycle.com/luna-cycle-apollo/

I can tell you that from my experience, that is absolutely a monster of a battery! My 17 AH battery on my fat bike gives me a good reference point. Even my Montague's 11.5 AH battery constantly amazes me.

courierguy wrote:

Aryana wrote:Wow, the 2000W Luna Apollo looks insane! WANT!

https://lunacycle.com/luna-cycle-apollo/

I can tell you that from my experience, that is absolutely a monster of a battery! My 17 AH battery on my fat bike gives me a good reference point. Even my Montague's 11.5 AH battery constantly amazes me.

I feel ridiculous that I'm actually considering buying it which is made possible only by the substantial financial hemorrhaging that aviation has gotten me used to.

I'm more competent than most on 2 wheels as a result of a misspent youth, and having throttle control in addition to pedal assist sounds perfect.

For how my flying experience has been enhanced by carrying a bike along, much less a very capable e bike, it's expense is a pittance! A several thousand dollar pittance but what the heck.

Yup, throttle and the adjustable (on the go) pedal assist seems to cover all the bases for a lot of people. I pedal probably 97% of the time, the display shows me how many watts I am contributing. An odd thing happens to a lot of new e bikers, they find themselves pedaling more and more as they get used to their new ride, whereas they had first thought they'd just use the throttle. Getting in shape is part of it, that and the seeming synergy of your muscle power combined with the e power. It is fun feeling like Superman. That and the obvious fact that range is vastly increased. But at the end of the ride, when plenty of battery is left, it's also fun to romp on the throttle for sure. The Montague hits mid to high 30's in 14 th gear, but still can climb like a mountain goat, one huge advantage of the Rohloff is the huge gear spread, real low and real high.

I can see that happening. There's usually a big head wind on the way home from my hangar where pedal assist could take the edge off and make it a bit more enjoyable to cruise home.

I'm so close to pulling the trigger! Are there any other e-bikes folks can recommend against the Luna Apollo?

40 miles range
I wonder what the top speed at 2000W is? [emoji848]

What does this mean? "The 11T is locked out and cannot be used"

Probably due to the chainline getting too offset, an issue with any bike, but a bit less forgiving with a ebike. Top speed, guessing here, depends on stock ratios, but mid 30's, maybe higher, probably also a wheelie monster.

I was saved by the fact they don't actually have the bike available for sale right now. I entered my email to be notified when/if it's available again.

I hate money and have to find another outlet I guess. [emoji16]

Aryana wrote:I hate money and have to find another outlet I guess. [emoji16]

Well, you could always buy a boat...

So still looking into this, in the C180 facebook group there are some good photos, It's certainly possible to get 2x 60lbs ebike with 20" tires into the back of a 180.

Today I'm going to carefully measure the Aerocet Float hatches and openings to see if it's possible to get a 16", 37lbs Ebikes into the hatches [planning on 1 in each hatch].

Will see how it goes.

JP256 wrote:

Aryana wrote:I hate money and have to find another outlet I guess. [emoji16]

Well, you could always buy a boat...

BTDT, got the t-shirt!

What bothered me more than the obvious massive cash outlay was the constant need to go there every week and clean the decks. It was like a jail sentence.

Only had two of em. 1984 Hunter 31 and a 1972 Ericson 27 (pictured below moored in Avalon at Catalina Island, CA)

Wow. That is a nice bike. I am going to use the excuse that they don't make a larger frame and a 18.5 is too small for me.....

I've got a pair of Lectric XP's and they fit perfectly in the back of my C175. They have a 10AH battery and a top speed of 30mph (20mph throttle only, electric assist to 28mph when peddling). I've got a few hundred miles on them with my wife and we have done a few 28-30 mile rides at 12-18mph, haven't run out of battery yet. I've tried few different folding bikes and the Lectric XP's are very comfortable for a 20" wheel bike. The price cant be beat either, they cost $900.

That is a fair price for that category of e bike. Looks like they fit perfectly in the 170 also! My first e bike was identical to that, except for having a 350 watt motor, the basic design is rebranded by numerous companies. It's 48 VDC battery is a plus

It is a hub drive bike, meaning the motor is in the rear hub, so basically it is a one speed e bike. The reference to "3 speed" means any, and only while, pedaling is 3 speed enabled, the motor is one speed, all the time, gearing wise. A mid drive e bike on the other hand, places the motor in the middle, "in front" of any gearing, so not only is the bike's center of gravity much better. but the e motor (not just the rider, when pedaling) can take full mechanical advantage of any gearing, be it chain sprockets or a internal geared hub. That's why a mid drive e bike, of a similar wattage motor, will out perform a hub drive, have more low end torque and more top speed, as it has e power PLUS mechanical gearing advantages. The greater efficiency of a mid drive bike (ALL of the top tier e bikes, at least the mountain bikes, are mid drive, as a generalization) does add a higher price, and a hub drive bike will almost always be less expensive, though less efficient, or at least lower performance. These distinctions between the two different drive systems are key to what a bike costs, and also what it can do. Often, staying with a hub drive offers a less expensive and "good enough" riding experience, while going further, faster and steeper tilts the choice towards a mid drive. A mid drive allows the motor to run faster, resulting in much better cooling (the #1 killer of any e motor) when slow climbing a steep grade, when trail riding, e motors LOVE high rpm's, HATE lugging.

You could be talking about my 170 with a fixed pitch prop and another with a constant speed prop for your hub vs mid drive, respectively!

On the Lectric XP, the controller ships set up as a "Class 2" vehicle - limited to 20 mph, whether you're using pedal-assist or using throttle only. But you can "unlock" that top speed (via the controller) to allow the motor to continue providing "boost" all the way up to 28 mph, at the expense of additional battery usage.

The configuration setting to change the max speed is "08P", and you would need to change that setting to from the default "32" to "45". That setting is the speed limiter, in kilometers per hour. Of course, 32 kph = 20 mph, and 45 kph = 28 mph. The controller will actually allow you to set the limit higher than 45 (all the way up to "100"), but 45 kph is actually the limit for pedal assist to work, regardless of your setting. Even with settings above 45, the motor cuts off for safety reasons. There are numerous YouTube videos that show how to do this.

The other thing to note: Those "fat" tires run 20-45 psi pressures. Off-roading is a lot more comfortable at the lower end of that range, but adds considerably to the rolling resistance. If you want to pedal at faster speeds, max tire pressure makes it MUCH easier!

One other "cool" feature on the Lectric XP is "cruise control", which allows you to maintain a specific speed with pedal-assist, even one slower than the lowest pedal-assist setting. Useful when riding with friends or family who don't have an electric bike, so you can keep pace with them. Again, YouTube videos explain this better than I can with words alone.

If I could fit one of these in the baggage area of my RANS S-6ES, I would buy one in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, almost any folding bike is too big for that space. The compartment is plenty wide (37.5" width) and deep enough (open all the way to the top of the cabin), just not enough "thickness" (fore-aft) to fit a folded e-bike (only 10" or so). Oh well...