I definitely want to reserve judgment. I just got back from sloshkosh, 8th trip. It was very wet. Aircraft were not able to land and then could land, on and off for the first 3 days. There were aircraft stagged all over Wisconsin. 3000 landings a day. Left and right runways. I could have watched it all day. People cutting each other off, landing on the wrong runway and on the wrong dot. 3 dots on each runway and 3 aircraft touching down at the same time on each runway. They use up to 4 runways at a time not counting ultra light and rotary wing. Its just a stream of aircraft. There are a lot of pilots who are just not used to air traffic control and at Oshkosh you do not return a transmission unless it is an emergency. A lot of pilots do what they think they heard. Some aircraft can not keep up and aircraft are forbidden to s turn. Many arrive over gross on a hot day and come in slow.

I ended up flying in to Fond Du Lac because Atis said no more GA aircraft. The air traffic was intense and exciting. I think everyone should fly in once in their flying life. You will definitely be sitting on the edge of your seat.

I definitely want to reserve judgment.

Looks like she's still bent over.
Practice makes......

I am glad that he will be o.k,and real glad it was not on of his p-51 mustangs.

Throttle Pusher wrote:Looks like she's still bent over.
Practice makes......

You talking about the barfing? Maybe she's preggers... who knows.

Some pictures I found on a Facebook page:

http://www.avweb.com/news/airventure/EAAAirVenture2010_JackRoushCrash_MomentOfImpact_203026-1.html

as usual the news has it mostly wrong. I was standing about 150 ft from were it touchrd down and it didnt cart wheel, luckly it hit right wing first and spun around to the right on its belly. the gear was up and I didnt see how he got in the situation but he did do a heroic job of keeping it out of the crowd so as a person who was standing were he could have landed I will reserve judgement on his pilot skills! a few feet to the right and it would have been a whole lot worse!
it apeared to me the secretary was in the right seat there was two heads moving around in the cockpit shortly after it stoped.

ccurrie wrote:as usual the news has it mostly wrong. I was standing about 150 ft from were it touchrd down and it didnt cart wheel, luckly it hit right wing first and spun around to the right on its belly. the gear was up and I didnt see how he got in the situation but he did do a heroic job of keeping it out of the crowd so as a person who was standing were he could have landed I will reserve judgement on his pilot skills! a few feet to the right and it would have been a whole lot worse!
it apeared to me the secretary was in the right seat there was two heads moving around in the cockpit shortly after it stoped.

You might want to look at the pictures in the post above yours as a memory refresher... in the first photo the gear is clearly visible in the down position!

AvidFlyer wrote:

In all its high res glory...wow what a shot.
http://www.avweb.com/newspics/galleries/airventure2010/jack-roush-crash/large/01.jpg

Actually, the first crash was a rear-ender over the RR tracks inbound, both planes landed on 18, then the runway was closed. We were coming in when we heard "Mayday Mayday" over the frequency. He said something hit his prop, then a Saratoga got on and said something hit his tail. We didn't find out anything after that, but that was Tuesday around 1 or 1:30pm.

ASW.

That was a Saratoga and a Piper Cub that touched over Ripon. Saratogas nose wheel hit the top of the Pipers prop. The cub declared a mayday and landed straight in Rwy 9. The saratoga landed and went in the grass since his nose wheel was messed up.

Oldcrowe it looks like you are rite.... Mabe it was just a "hard landing"

I am not an expert on bus. jet crashes, but I would call that a hard landing . It seems like most jet crashes involve lots of fire, and usually fatalities.

You guys are a tough crowd, pretty quick to judge someones pilot skills. Maybe he does have some skill, and this prevented the usual jet fireball??

lancef53 wrote:You guys are a tough crowd, pretty quick to judge someones pilot skills. Maybe he does have some skill, and this prevented the usual jet fireball??

I think we are talking about 2 different things here. Judgement and skill are in two separate hemispheres...you may posess one or the other or some combination of both. Roush has crashed 3 times in 10 years that we know of, two involved high-performance, multi-million dollar aircraft, each time he has miraculously cheated death. That is not a typical pilot experience. I'm not sitting here wondering if he has stick and rudder skills......maybe he's an ace.. and that alone has saved his bacon? Its the other hemisphere I wonder about.

The tower tape's on line. Controller questioned whether the spacing between the jet and the airplane on takeoff was enough. Jet pilot said it was good enough. Controller responded "I don't think so". Controller is probably wishing he'd told him to go around. JR is probably wishing he'd chosen to go around.

Nobody got killed, but that's a lot of airplane and stalling a swept wing jet is a bad deal, to say the least. Let alone at 30 feet off the ground. If they'd been 30 feet higher, they'd have died.

Terrible loss of a beautiful airplane, and fortunate that nobody was killed. If that thing had burned (and both engines went to max power right AFTER the crash) it would have killed a LOT of people.

Lucky.

MTV

Crashes-Jack R made an unstabalized descending turn approach. Straightened out, slowed too much, slow spool up of engines, smack. Rescuers had to shut down engines, he didn't. Cub and Saratoga: I talked to the cub driver- he was making the Rippon to Fisk arrival when the Piper who was descending and faster than the Cub over ran him. The Saratoga pilot reported to tower that someone had come from below to hit him. He must have been watching his GPS versus out the window to not see he was overtaking Cub. The Cub lost about two inches of one prop blade, the Saratoga, a tire and rim. Both very lucky. I met a few Backcountry folks while there, lunch at the Hilton on Tuesday and stopped by EZ flaps booth, and he came by our row of short wings to temperairily install the set up in my tripacer so some others could try it out. Good times, reminded me of backcountry camping with all the mosquitos.

Mike, listen to the ATC feed again -- after listening a few times, it seems it is Roush asking whether the spacing is OK and then saying he didn't think so.

The avweb pictures are interesting. Curtis and I were standing just before the first picture and saw him as he went by on a crazy angle. I thought the gear was up too, as the angle of the plane would have obscured the main gear from view. The thought that went through my head at that moment, having just watched an airshow, was " what kind of a trick is this?" Then WHUMP!!
I hace no idea how he got in the fix as he came from behind us, Maybe the guy in the 170 knows. He was in the grass when the dust settled.

No video??? I figured with all them people with camera's some body gotta have a short clip to share??