why can't people just keep the topic about what I posted. I wanted to know the effects of flying with the doors off but since ya'll brought it up here goes. I'm going to have a gunner shooting and i've already tested the angles out on the ground and I think it will work just fine. I'm going to try it no matter what people say. I plan on doing some training in flight on getting everything setup right before actual shooting happens. maybe you nay-sayers should try it and find out for yourself rather than telling people it can't be done in a Stinson when you've never tried it. I've heard of a few people using Stinsons and it working just fine. I have access to a lot of acres of private ground way out of town to shoot coyotes for predator control.

desertflyer wrote: maybe you nay-sayers should try it and find out for yourself rather than telling people it can't be done

Just trying to give u some advice based on past experience Hope it works out for u Good luck

I'm going to try it no matter what people say. I plan on doing some training in flight on getting everything setup right before actual shooting happens. maybe you nay-sayers should try it and find out for yourself rather than telling people it can't be done

Holy Cow Desert Flyer,

Don C and Gunner tried to give you some good advise. Its interesting that you plan to break the law, but by posting it on a public website takes it to another level of stupidity and arrogance. The FAA probably won't get involved in your operations until you ball up your Stinson. Which you probably will do. I just hope you don't get your "gunner" hurt or killed in the process.

The US Fish & Wildlife or Oregon Fish & Game will most likely file legal charges to include; possible fines, jail, seizure of vehicles and guns. Good luck with that.

There are possible legal and safe ways to get the authorization to hunt predators from an aircraft on private property. I suggest you pursue these options.

James
Clear Creek, ID

the only part i meant that on was that it can't be done in a stinson because of the supposed angle you have to shoot at and you blow it way out of proportion. i've already got the legalities figured out.

desertflyer wrote: you blow it way out of proportion. i've already got the legalities figured out

Really? Why don't you explain how you figured the legalities out. I only work full-time in the regulatory, and checking side of the house. Others on this site have years of experience in actual legal airborne predator control. Apparently you know a process that none of us are aware of.

James

I just wanted to apologize to everybody for what was said on here. Somebody I know wanted to ask some questions on here but didn't want to create an account so I let that individual use my account but that person decided to pose as me asking questions and saying stuff. That individual will not be using my account again. I didn't expect this to happen. Apparently that person thought it would be funny to do what they did. I feel like this is a big mess and I'm embarrassed this happened.

I do have an interest in shooting from the air, hence some of my previous posts, but I was unaware of the laws pertaining to that. I try to avoid the illegal activities as much as possible because I'm working on my ratings hoping to get a career flying so the last thing I need is something negative on my record. Again, I am sorry this happened.

Super-Maule wrote:.... Its interesting that you plan to break the law, but by posting it on a public website takes it to another level of stupidity and arrogance. The FAA probably won't get involved in your operations until you ball up your Stinson. Which you probably will do. I just hope you don't get your "gunner" hurt or killed in the process......

This post kinda notches things up to another level (of hostility) and was probably not the best way to get your point across. Maybe you're correct but IMHO you might have found a less antagonistic way to put it. Call me Mister Warm-n-Fuzzy, but when I get called stupid and arrogant it raises my hackles right up & I imagine that most people have the same reaction.

I have a Stinson 108-2. And have flown with the doors off many times.
I have never had a problem with it. If the wind gets to bad just add a deflector
to the edge of the door opening. It dose not take a lot to deflect the wind.
Good luck , fly safe.

Ken in Alaska

Generally speaking for optimum performance, you would fly with only one side door off. As previously noted, this is suggested for the 108.
The Maule is placarded to fly with one door off the left side or two doors off from the right side. Maules have one door on left side and three on the right.
If landing or taking off in a xwind and doors are off on both sides, the air can flow through the cabin thus compromising the longtitudenal stability of the fuselage and upsetting lift at the wing roots, plus blowing everything loose out the door.

I have flown my M5 Maule with the right passenger and baggage door removed for aerial photography. The lady riding in the rear passenger seat got her hair tosseled. The manual states the maximum speed with any door removed at 100 MPH. That has worked out well. Just be sure to remove everything loose in the cabin, including registration and airworthiness certs. Somewhere over western Ohio there is a federal resistration slip.

Gene

Just been watching Wild West Alaska -Gun store stuff . Had 4 Automatic shotgun(s) they bought and mounted on ATV .

desertflyer wrote:

182 STOL driver wrote:

desertflyer wrote:Can it be done? I've heard yes and others are unsure. Looks like I will be buying my first T/W a Stinson 108 here shortly so I am just wondering because I want to shoot coyotes with it and just enjoy the breeze in the summer.

I believe it's part Faa AC108 where skydivers /photo ops say it's ok. Suggest 1 door with air deflector attached to hinge points. Why not hard mount 12 gauge shotguns on struts aimed forward > I flew a 182 with 2ea 12 gauge(extra capacity ) automatic set to converge at 50-60 yards . Aiming was a grease pencil mark on windshield . Eastern Oregon ? Pendelton ?

Regarding mounting automatic shotguns on wing struts

This is now 4 years later. I've seen a shotgun split the stock by placing it against a tree and pulling the trigger. The idea of mounting shotguns to wing struts seems like a good way to collapse the struts and cause control linkage problems with the control surfaces.

Just wondering, did it work, or did it cause structural damage to the plane?

I own a -108, and am wondering how the shooter's going to set up in the aircraft. You'd have to do Yoga to shoot out of the front even with the seat all the way back, & I'm too fat and old for that, but a 20-something might pull it off. Maybe the back seat, but then you're aiming across the struts..........I'm looking forward to the video.

Shooter laying on the floor in back, shooting through the (removed) baggage door?

hotrod180 wrote:Shooter laying on the floor in back, shooting through the (removed) baggage door?

The baggage area is completely separate from the cabin in a Stinson 108-2 or -3, and -1 didn’t come with a baggage door.

This thread topic and reply's just goes to show and highlight the large population of TROLLS and Flight sim tween cowboys and then the kind hearted and well meaning members who don't know they are being trolled.

REALLY, I WANT TO SHOOT COYOTES FROM A STINSON, I DONT OWN ONE AND I WANT TO FLY IT OFF MY OWN STRIP and BTW I CANT AFFORD SOMEONE TO TEACH ME..........

SAY WHAAAAaaaaat?

you guys are being TROLLED!!!!!

lownslow79 wrote:
you guys are being TROLLED!!!!!

...4 years ago.

I like trolls.