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Re: Garmin G5 now stc'd

jliltd wrote:... I have seen no details and the Garmin web site has yet to make available the installation manual. ...I would hesitate to buy any product like this before revision NEW documents have even been released.


Maybe not for the new STC'd version, but the user's manual for the original "experimental only" Garmin G5 is available online as a pdf. Takes a little googling to find it but it's there, I know because I downloaded it before buying mine. Garmin also produces a *golfing* aid (GPS??) which they call the G5 Approach-- makes it tougher to zero in on info for the G5 Electronic Flight Instrument.
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A1Skinner, my read of TC CARS is that you could chuck the vacuum system and meet the night requirements, at least with the non-STC version of the G5. All regulations aside, are you comfortable with that from a practical standpoint? I would be, same as I would be without the additional battery, but that's just me.
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Re: Garmin G5 now stc'd

Karmutzen wrote:A1Skinner, my read of TC CARS is that you could chuck the vacuum system and meet the night requirements, at least with the non-STC version of the G5. All regulations aside, are you comfortable with that from a practical standpoint? I would be, same as I would be without the additional battery, but that's just me.


I'm totally comfortable to have it meet my requirements for night flying. My DG really doesn't get looked at ever. I really like the non STC'D version, but fat chance of getting it put in with a limited STC now that there is a STC'D version out. I just don't feel like paying twice as much for half as much capability.
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Re: Garmin G5 now stc'd

I've had three complete electrical failures, all while hundreds of miles from home. I'd never consider an all-electric panel unless I had a reserve battery that would run the panel for at least the entire fuel endurance of my airplane.

And I would not fly at night or IFR without both electric and vacuum attitude instruments. One little field mouse up under your panel and all that electric wizardry can turn to dust in an instant. Crack a light stick and put on your headlamp and you've still got something to work with if the vacuum system is operational. Otherwise...ugh...no thanks.

To each their own of course. My opinions are colored by my experiences, which have convinced me that the electric system is not one iota more reliable than the vacuum system.
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There is a four-hour battery that comes standard. I am having one installed now (thinking of it as a poor man's glass panel).
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Continuing to tout my Quattro, which I really do like, here's the latest from Sandia, a reduction in price to $2995. After I'd bought mine at that price, they bumped the price up $500, but then the G5 was STC'd, so I think the reduction is to be competitive. The Quattro comes standard with a backup battery, which they say will last a guaranteed hour at full brightness, and twice that if the backlight is turned down. The backup battery starts charging from the airplane's electrical system as soon as the master is turned on and automatically takes over if the electrical system fails above 40 knots, or the Quattro automatically shuts down if electrical power is removed under 40 knots--the pilot can stop that automatic shutdown with a push of the single knob/button on the face of the Quattro, which is also used to adjust the backlight and the altimeter setting.

The latest info direct from Sandia via email, though, are some new features. Available immediately is a software change to the altimeter adjustment. Mine reverts to 29.92 upon being shut down, which is no big deal--just set it to the current altimeter when firing it up. But the software change allows it to be set to either remain at the previous altimeter setting, or even better, at the previous altitude. That latter would be great for back country overnight use, when the exact altitude of the airstrip isn't known, and there's no way to obtain an altimeter setting. In the morning, you'd just crank up, the altitude readout would be the same as when you shut down the day or days before, but the Kollsman window would automatically change to the new altimeter setting.

The downside of the software change is that the instrument has to be pulled and sent back to Sandia for the change--not possible to do it in the field. That means a new biennial pitot/static cert and some additional labor, so I'll wait to make that decision till a year from January when my next cert is due.

They're also working on getting approval for an additional item to show on the Quattro's face, an instant VSI, for which they'll charge $150 for that software change (the other one, to the altimeter portion, is free). I'm not sure how useful that would be, as I've never paid much attention to any VSI, other than to confirm that I'm descending at the rate I should be for the power setting and descent angle I'm flying, especially with passengers, when I want to keep descent rates to 500 fpm or less. I've always used the altimeter movement to determine on an IFR take off whether I have a positive rate of climb going, due to the lag of a standard VSI. Perhaps with an instant VSI, I'd use it more.

So there are two pretty competitive modern AIs to replace the old mechanical vacuum driven gyro AIs. Neither is cheap, but they both are quite an improvement, especially with a backup battery. Like Hammer, I too have had a total electrical failure, twice. The first was at night in a 182 in good VFR weather, and the second was in my airplane on the way home from buying it, day VFR. In neither case was the loss of electrical power an emergency, just annoying. In IFR conditions, both would have been an emergency.

Incidentally, on the Canadian requirement for "a stabilised magnetic direction indicator or a gyroscopic direction indicator", I don't know if my SIRS compass would qualify as a "stabilised magnetic direction indicator", but it's very stable, nothing like the OEM Airpath it replaced. It reads backwards, just like most whiskey compasses, if that's an issue. It's really a great compass--hasn't required swinging since I originally swung it after my IA installed it a few years ago. And it's easy to read, night or day.

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