BCP's, I'd like to tap into the brain trust and experience pool again. My 206 is gone and heading to South America. Its time to return to tail dragging. I'm waffling between an M5 210C and a 1955 Cessna 180. The '75 M5 is pretty much the front runner in terms of mission and experience fit (I've got 250 Maule time, never been in a 180). The M5 is nice, new fabric, 200 SMOH in '04, Garmin 430 etc but is also priced high at $65. The clincher is there is rust in the oil filler neck, so much rust that one of the tabs on the cap is almost rusted off. We did an oil analysis and came up with 10 Fe and .7 CR. There was about two hours on that oil since change and we flew it for about 45 minutes before pulling the oil. There is also one cylinder running cooler on the ECI analyzer. There are a lot more extras I didn't list. One of my previous Maules was a 210 and I really loved this combo of light weight, reasonable fuel burn, and good performance.
So, sage ones, what do y'all think of that motor? What would it take to be certain it's okay? Borescope, tear down or simply letting it belong to someone else?
As always, all thoughts are appreciated.
FZ
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Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:38 am
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Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:47 am
IO360 with rust
Who ended up buying the 206?
Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:56 am
Re: IO360 with rust
Some guys from Bolivia. Very nice younger guys. Taking it to their family farm I guess. They left to take it south on Wednesday morning, coincidentally the first day of the Arlington Fly in and a sadistic twist by the aviation Gods. I've never driven to the fly in before, didn't like being a mere mortal, not a bit!
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Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:58 am
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I think that grand final accounting ends up where I made about 2.5 cents an hour for my time. Pretty darn good for aviation!
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Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:07 pm
Re: IO360 with rust
That much rust inside would scare the SH?t right out a me??
Would have to pull a cylinder off, and look at all the guts of the thing, borescope all the rest of the cylinders.
3 hours on the ol and hi FE should make you nervous!!
those are pretty spendy little motors to fix!(overhaul)
I would RUN! or negotiate most of an overhaul off the price, buyers market out there!!
GT
Would have to pull a cylinder off, and look at all the guts of the thing, borescope all the rest of the cylinders.
3 hours on the ol and hi FE should make you nervous!!
those are pretty spendy little motors to fix!(overhaul)
I would RUN! or negotiate most of an overhaul off the price, buyers market out there!!
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Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:14 pm
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flyingzebra wrote:BCP's, I'd like to tap into the brain trust and experience pool again. My 206 is gone and heading to South America. Its time to return to tail dragging. I'm waffling between an M5 210C and a 1955 Cessna 180. The '75 M5 is pretty much the front runner in terms of mission and experience fit (I've got 250 Maule time, never been in a 180). The M5 is nice, new fabric, 200 SMOH in '04, Garmin 430 etc but is also priced high at $65. The clincher is there is rust in the oil filler neck, so much rust that one of the tabs on the cap is almost rusted off. We did an oil analysis and came up with 10 Fe and .7 CR. There was about two hours on that oil since change and we flew it for about 45 minutes before pulling the oil. There is also one cylinder running cooler on the ECI analyzer. There are a lot more extras I didn't list. One of my previous Maules was a 210 and I really loved this combo of light weight, reasonable fuel burn, and good performance.
So, sage ones, what do y'all think of that motor? What would it take to be certain it's okay? Borescope, tear down or simply letting it belong to someone else?
As always, all thoughts are appreciated.
FZ
The Maule is priced too high even with a 430 and 400 smoh. I've been involved with 2 purchases this year of M5 210C's and one was 28k with a timed out motor that was running perfect, good fabric and radio's. The other was 41.5k with a newer overhaul and fabric and very low TT.
Sketchy engine (which is an expensive engine to overhaul) would make me look elsewhere unless the "extras" includes a hangar
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Sat Jul 14, 2012 8:08 pm
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...with hot and cold water, a bathroom, a loft bedroom, and maybe a blonde named Trixie. A 360 that is in good shape is a great engine, but one that is already making lots of metal is a pricey experiment in "how long will it last?"Sketchy engine (which is an expensive engine to overhaul) would make me look elsewhere unless the "extras" includes a hangar
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Sat Jul 14, 2012 8:30 pm
Re: IO360 with rust
Okay, I think I'll go with the consensus of all y'all gurus and pass on that M5. I'm looking at a pretty cool '55 C180 with no 430 but no rust either. The big appeal of the Maule was familiarity but that wouldn't do me much good as my motor siezed up over the cascades huh? The feedback is, as always, much appreciated!
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Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:11 pm
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Prices are down on C180's now, what woulda been $75-80K airplanes a few years ago are selling in the 50's & 60's. I'm a big 180 fan, if my flying required that much airplane that's what I'd be looking at.
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Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:07 pm
IO360 with rust
Well I have a 55 180 so clearly I'm biased...
Good call on passing on the rusty M5. It's easy to talk yourself into overlooking some flaws, but where there's smoke there's fire and that fire will turn out to be a pile of your money.
Good call on passing on the rusty M5. It's easy to talk yourself into overlooking some flaws, but where there's smoke there's fire and that fire will turn out to be a pile of your money.
Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:52 am
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Trixie might cost more than the engine in the long run....
An eight year old overhaul rusting....That engine must have sat outside in the rain for the last seven and a half years.
As much as it pains us RR has a hard 10 year limit on the older turbine engines due to, you guessed it, rust and corrosion.
An eight year old overhaul rusting....That engine must have sat outside in the rain for the last seven and a half years.
As much as it pains us RR has a hard 10 year limit on the older turbine engines due to, you guessed it, rust and corrosion.
John
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Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:05 pm
Re: IO360 with rust
Advice taken, rusty motor Maule not bought. I DID buy a 1954 180! There's a brand new adventure for me. I have, as of today, 1 hour in 180's. Judging from tons of BCP comments though, it seems like a good fit for me and mission. Thanks again for the feedback.
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Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:56 pm
Re: IO360 with rust
Pictures!?!
Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:38 pm
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Congrats on the new plane! Good call, 180's are great & fun to fly.
Blessed are the curious, for they shall have great adventures!
Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:15 pm
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