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Just SuperStol Crash

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Just SuperStol Crash

A SuperStol crashed in SC in the past few days. I'm amazed both occupants came out unhurt, and very relieved that they did.

That said, having videos on the evening news of a bush plane yanking and banking over people and houses immediately before the crash isn't good for anybody. Frankly, I don't blame the people on the ground for being upset.

http://www.wyff4.com/news/witnesses-question-planes-aerobatic-behavior-before-crash/34515158

I fly low a lot, but I do it over unpopulated sagebrush. I stay away from people and structures religiously. We live in an age where everybody has a camera in their pocket. We need to fly accordingly, both for the safety of those on the ground and for the continuing freedoms of the rest of us in the sky.

End of sermon. :|
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Re: Just SuperStol Crash

Good sermon. Even if what we're doing isn't actually dangerous, non-flyers can misinterpret our actions very easily. Hot dogging around people, structures, etc., just gives "those little airplane pilots" a bad name. Then when something untoward happens, the "I told you so" comments never stop.

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Not good PR for Just aircraft or for general aviation.
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The Ag business has a greater public perception problem as suburbs grow. I told my pilots never to be in the situation where momma could say,"he flew directly over me. "
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Even if what we're doing isn't actually dangerous, non-flyers can misinterpret our actions very easily

That's true all right.

Years ago I flew two laps at a legal distance and height around Grand Coulee Dam in my Maule.

I went on to land at Banks Lake nearby. 5 minutes later I see a trail of dust and flashing lights headed my way.

Sheriffs!

Some paranoid called them I was going to attack the dam.

My 1,500 pound Maule vs. a zillion pound dam.

Damn!

I explained the FAR's, offered Johnny Law a ride, and all was good.

Still, a guy can get burned doing the right thing.
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I'm glad everyone's ok!

I wasn't there, and I've never flown with Troy, so I can't comment I the pre-accident activities, but the negative press is killing our sport.

Same with that BS news clip on Steve Henry's SuperSTOL accident.

The media is focused too much on a money generating flashy story and not enough on objective reporting.

It's sad that we have to "decipher" the news these days.
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Re: Just SuperStol Crash

It looks like the 4130 "roll cage" is intact and it did its job. Glad everyone is ok. Looks like the survivability of a super STOL crash is pretty good, given the number of crashes and no injuries. (No matter how the accident happened).
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Does anyone know what happened i.e. was it an approach stall, part-failure on landing, something else?
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contactflying wrote:The Ag business has a greater public perception problem as suburbs grow. I told my pilots never to be in the situation where momma could say,"he flew directly over me. "


I saw just this the other day on Facebook. A non-pilot posted a video of a Thrush or Air Tractor or something doing some passes. They weren't spraying, maybe surveying or something, but it had the people who shot the video up in arms and freaked out. Sigh.
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Farm and ranch areas are good about it. Bee keepers, who we notify, put the word out. Local authorities and tower controllers help. Media could help but usually don't. Most people like to eat. :idea:
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CamTom12 wrote:the negative press is killing our sport.

Agreed.

The media is focused too much on a money generating flashy story and not enough on objective reporting.


Also agreed, in almost all cases. However, with a video like this floating around from just before the crash, you can't expect them not to run with it (that wouldn't be objective reporting either).

If we're not honest with ourselves as a community when we contribute to the problem, we will bear some of the responsibility if and when our freedoms are eventually limited. In many countries around the world, they're not allowed to fly any lower than 500' unless taking off or landing. That would SUCK. I don't want it to happen here, and I'm concerned that incidents like this only provide more fodder for those who would seek to shut us down based on sensationalistic reporting. I love flying low and hard as much as anyone, but doing it around unwitting bystanders and/or structures invites unneeded attention and unwanted trouble, IMHO.

I'm hugely relieved they are ok, and I'm not trying to rag on the pilot(s) or be anyone's nanny. I'm totally a live-and-let-live guy. However, I've decided I'm not going to stay quiet anymore when someone's...overly-enthusiastic...exercise of those freedoms could potentially hurt a bystander and/or result in the curtailment of my own rights to fly. Sadly, I've seen how that ends--both for the people involved, and the much larger number who are inevitably affected.

Just my 2 cents worth.
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Re: Just SuperStol Crash

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CamTom12 wrote:the negative press is killing our sport.

Agreed.

The media is focused too much on a money generating flashy story and not enough on objective reporting.


Also agreed, in almost all cases. However, with a video like this floating around from just before the crash, you can't expect them not to run with it (that wouldn't be objective reporting either).

If we're not honest with ourselves as a community when we contribute to the problem, we will bear some of the responsibility if and when our freedoms are eventually limited. In many countries around the world, they're not allowed to fly any lower than 500' unless taking off or landing. That would SUCK. I don't want it to happen here, and I'm concerned that incidents like this only provide more fodder for those who would seek to shut us down based on sensationalistic reporting. I love flying low and hard as much as anyone, but doing it around unwitting bystanders and/or structures invites unneeded attention and unwanted trouble, IMHO.

I'm hugely relieved they are ok, and I'm not trying to rag on the pilot(s) or be anyone's nanny. I'm totally a live-and-let-live guy. However, I've decided I'm not going to stay quiet anymore when someone's...overly-enthusiastic...exercise of those freedoms could potentially hurt a bystander and/or result in the curtailment of my own rights to fly. Sadly, I've seen how that ends--both for the people involved, and the much larger number who are inevitably affected.

Just my 2 cents worth.


X2 The video speaks for its self!
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RanchPilot wrote:
CamTom12 wrote:the negative press is killing our sport.

Agreed.

The media is focused too much on a money generating flashy story and not enough on objective reporting.


Also agreed, in almost all cases. However, with a video like this floating around from just before the crash, you can't expect them not to run with it (that wouldn't be objective reporting either).

If we're not honest with ourselves as a community when we contribute to the problem, we will bear some of the responsibility if and when our freedoms are eventually limited. In many countries around the world, they're not allowed to fly any lower than 500' unless taking off or landing. That would SUCK. I don't want it to happen here, and I'm concerned that incidents like this only provide more fodder for those who would seek to shut us down based on sensationalistic reporting. I love flying low and hard as much as anyone, but doing it around unwitting bystanders and/or structures invites unneeded attention and unwanted trouble, IMHO.

I'm hugely relieved they are ok, and I'm not trying to rag on the pilot(s) or be anyone's nanny. I'm totally a live-and-let-live guy. However, I've decided I'm not going to stay quiet anymore when someone's...overly-enthusiastic...exercise of those freedoms could potentially hurt a bystander and/or result in the curtailment of my own rights to fly. Sadly, I've seen how that ends--both for the people involved, and the much larger number who are inevitably affected.

Just my 2 cents worth.


X2 The video speaks for its self!


Yup. We've all done stupid things in airplanes, especially early in our "nothing can hurt me" years. But the kind of flying showing in that video rings the stupid bell really, really loud.

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I'm surprised the cameraman caught anything besides the floor of the boat.
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Re: Just SuperStol Crash

The video is a pretty short snippet but it sure looks like hot dogging. For an aircraft that seemingly can land deadstick on a postage stamp I am kind of surprised at the damage but who knows what happened before they hit the ground. Glad everyone is OK of course but wish it would have been better circumstance leading up to the engine failure.
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Re: Just SuperStol Crash

Now the big question. How hard will the FAA come down on the pilot?
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WTFO
Dam,
If his engine had not quit someone would have put it up on facebook and been sayin Woo Hoo!!
Sure hope there aint any glass houeses on this subject!!
His engine quit low level with tall trees and a narrow road to land on in a new development that had not been cleared for house yet!!
Tough dam crowd on here!!
Everyone that can look in the mirror and say they have never been in a spot where if the engine quits they would have made a safe landing and not hurt the plane, stand up now and do a little preaching!! :^o :^o :^o :^o :^o :^o

As Forrest Gump said! All I'm going to say about that!!

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Re: Just SuperStol Crash

I don't disagree that most of us have been in places where a power loss would have been catastrophic or possibly deadly, but losing an engine hot-dogging around in a Just SuperSTOL around a high-class lake and losing an engine while giving it your best trying to claw your way into the air in a 150HP Tri-Pacer taking off out of Big Creek with a 9000' DA are two different things as far as consequences for those on the ground. We simply can't afford to demonstrate carelessness with such a large audience. I'm all for having fun but at least try to keep a low profile when doing it.
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