Is it against the FS rules to land an airplane on FS land?

I know, we own it but they don't agree.

We have a famous member here who had some difficulty with the BLM. He landed in the sage brush. As part of his punishment he had to do some work in the mountains. He ask the judge if he put an off road sticker on his plane, could he land on dirt roads. Judge said ok. That is the short version.
The guy this happened to may elaborate.

This was BLM not National Forest if I remember correct.

Good day

Oh shit, thanks for the reminder. CRS got me. Gonna head to the bike shop tomorrow to get stickers for the four-wheelers, and the airplane.

Gump

Aeronautical Information Manual 7-4-6. Landing is prohibited on National Park, US Fish and Wildlife, or Forest Service lands without authorization from the respective agency. Doesn't say a thing about BLM.

But if they allow off-road vehicles on designated roads and trails... And ya got an off-road sticker on your airplane... Ehhhh, maybe? Muddy the waters with the fish cops? Worth a try if caught?

Gump

I bet its hard to get a off road sticker for a airplane. Seems they use title info on the sticker and lisc. plate.

Where on the plane are you going to put the Lisc. plate?

I had a buddy with a '41 T-Cart who had a ag type slow moving vehicle sticker on the tail, according to him this made it OK to land and taxi down rural roads. He never got called out on it so I guess it worked.

Not in Nevada. And Kalifornia sells out of state off-road stickers for $20 a pop. No vehicle information required.

Gump

Aircraft use is authorized on Forest Service land by the following regulations:
36 CFR 212.51 http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2010/julqtr/pdf/36cfr212.51.pdf
36 CFR 261.13 http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2011/julqtr/pdf/36cfr261.15.pdf

Print this out, and put it in your airplane. I've challenged a couple of FS employee acquaintances to find a regulation that prohibits me from landing in a National Forest, and no one has yet been able to find such a regulation.

State law, however, might prohibit you from landing on a road, even if it's a National Forest road.

Where on the plane are you going to put the Lisc. plate?

They make good trim tabs. Mine is USFS friendly.

I know, we own it but they don't agree.

MtCoyote Posts: 86

When I went to basic Forest Service Fire Guard School in 1968 they told us to refer to it as "National Forest" because the term "Forest Service Land" implys that the Forest Service owns it and they don't. That probably isn't taught to the new age FS employees.

I had a buddy with a '41 T-Cart who had a ag type slow moving vehicle sticker on the tail, according to him this made it OK to land and taxi down rural roads.

Reminds me of something that happened here a few years ago. Airline pilot was taxiing his 140 Cessna a few hundred feet down U.S. Hwy. 18 from his friends house to take off on the nearby gravel road. A State Trooper saw this and stopped him before he took off and said he didn't know what to charge him with but didn't think he should be doing it and let him go---said don't do it again.

Wide load permit?

kevbert wrote:Aircraft use is authorized on Forest Service land by the following regulations:
36 CFR 212.51 http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2010/julqtr/pdf/36cfr212.51.pdf
36 CFR 261.13 http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2011/julqtr/pdf/36cfr261.15.pdf

Print this out, and put it in your airplane. I've challenged a couple of FS employee acquaintances to find a regulation that prohibits me from landing in a National Forest, and no one has yet been able to find such a regulation.

State law, however, might prohibit you from landing on a road, even if it's a National Forest road.

And of course that also doesn't include designated Wilderness, and forest supervisor orders that are authorized elsewhere in the regulations.

If you look at a sectional it states exactly what the member above said. Prohibited. Alaska is different. It's broken down by parks. However the road scenario on FS is different. You then become motorized on a motorized road.

Our own CaptainK here could elaborate I am certain.

AKT

MtCoyote wrote:I bet its hard to get a off road sticker for a airplane. Seems they use title info on the sticker and lisc. plate.

Where on the plane are you going to put the Lisc. plate?

Here in Oregon our stickers show quad, motorcycle, jeep. I would tell them it is a jeep.

I got busted on a FS road. Told me if he caught me again he would write me for reckless drivin WTFO

OregonMaule wrote:

MtCoyote wrote:I bet its hard to get a off road sticker for a airplane. Seems they use title info on the sticker and lisc. plate.

Where on the plane are you going to put the Lisc. plate?

Here in Oregon our stickers show quad, motorcycle, jeep. I would tell them it is a jeep.

I'm going with 3 wheeler.

shortfielder wrote:I got busted on a FS road. Told me if he caught me again he would write me for reckless drivin WTFO

Maybe you should work on your landing so your not reckless.

Careful, I got pictures

shortfielder wrote:Careful, I got pictures

GumpAir wrote:Not in Nevada. And Kalifornia sells out of state off-road stickers for $20 a pop. No vehicle information required.

Gump

I know your common sense level blows away the average ... but just an FYI:

In the IPL sand dunes (BLM) the mounties are writing up people with non resident OHV stickers if ; their vehicle is not legal for the given activity in their home state.
ie: you don't have an AZ OHV tag, but do have a CA non res. Petty , on a multitude of levels, but another thought to consider... BTW, my cub has a CA non res. OHV tag

Take care, Rob