180Marty wrote:Hi N1593Y, From your first link
Users have reported no incidents associated with filling non flex-fuel cars with E20 or E30 blends. Consumers have reported better fuel economy for E30 than E10, confirming a quirky result in an American Coalition for Ethanol study.

What does this have to do with breaking a federal law?

>... Hope the congressional hearings will put a bite in the Grocery Manufacturers Association for ripping off the people and blaming ethanol.

Why should they? The congress passed the laws that have caused a massive dislocation in the energy and agriculture markets, that have given the ethanol and oil industries gobs of our tax money. The ethanol industry destroys personal property with impunity and is causing economic problems in every state. We get no choice, the government dictates that we must use ever increasing amounts of ethanol. The free market doesn't apply to ethanol? Why not? Why shouldn't the GMA lobby by any means necessary, the ethanol, corn, oil, etc. lobby do? We have the best government money can buy. The ethanol mandates are proof of it.

N1593Y, You're a very good debater and I see I'll never win. Two more thoughts. If we were alive back when it was believed the world was flat, I'd have had to find out if it really was. John D. Rockefeller of Standard Oil fame believed in getting rid of the competition----probably should have left him alone.

N1593Y is well informed and I commend his efforts, but you'll never win Marty because you are selling a dubious product that nobody here wants. We may have to suffer with for a while yet, but I have confidence that the free market will prevail.

You're probably right Vick. A friend,farmer, and ethanol plant investor probably has it figured out best. He says it's basically the Midwest against the two coasts and you guys out number us. If ethanol does go away, we can get back to idling acres or maybe we can just dump all the excess corn with coal and burn it at the power plant.

Ethanol has a place at the right price in our market. The place is in E85 and the price is about 25% below regular unleaded. Ethanol has absolutely no business being mixed in with every form of gasoline on God's green earth. Allow the consumer decide for themselves, and allow the market to properly price the product. Don't force the product on consumers.

I just found out that some Marathon terminals are not mixing ethanol in all of the premium fuel at the racks, and selling it as recreational fuel. A good way to find non ethanol mogas is to call your local marina. Apparently they have realized that ethanol and water don't mix, wonder why

bigdawg wrote:I just found out that some Marathon terminals are not mixing ethanol in all of the premium fuel at the racks, and selling it as recreational fuel. A good way to find non ethanol mogas is to call your local marina. Apparently they have realized that ethanol and water don't mix, wonder why

All five of the mandatory E10 states exempt ethanol blending for watercraft and aircraft because of known damage. The state of Washington has a mandatory ethanol law, but it is not mandatory E10, and they only exempt airplanes, not watercraft or the other common users that need unblended gasoline. Of the five mandatory E10 states, all but Oregon only exempt premium unleaded, Oregon allows an exemption for both regular and premium, but then provides no viable way to get it. Florida is a mandatory E10 state with exemptions for airplanes and watercraft, but there is no requirement that terminals provide the fuel and they are have problems at their marinas ordering unblended fuel.

For all the rest of you there is no exemption for aircraft and watercraft as your states go E10 under the pressure of the federal RFS mandate, EISA 2007. If your marinas do not know what is going on and your terminals are really greedy, you will end up with the same problem as California: http://www.marinebusinessnews.com/index.cfm?nid=43885

I urge you to help us pass laws in all of the states to prohibit the blending of ethanol in premium unleaded gasoline: http://www.e0pc.com