PA1195 wrote:We lost two local sheep hunters this fall in the Alaska Range. Haven't seen the preliminary assessment but words like "box canyon" went "straight down" "burned" and more. Reportedly a driven to learn enthusiastic relatively new pilot in a PA-12 with a partner along. Enough said.

Jim what you and others discuss here has real value for training situational awareness in terrain. Some maneuvers can be taught and muscle memory learned in clear airspace away from the mountains. But adding the visual and orographic effects while mountain flying adds another layer of challenges.

Like instrument and aerobatic courses this subject should be learned by pilots that fly that zone. Thankfully there's instructors willing to share and teach.

I might have missed the earlier posts but are there videos available from the clinic? I'm rereading your e-Book.

Gary

Gary, very sad to hear about the sheep hunters that were lost.
The clinic was filmed, but I dont think there has been any videos released on it yet. But they should be coming.

David

David,

Mike will check with the lady who did the filming. Should know something soon.

Jim

"Rudder is a primary control," according to Butch, and "rudder pulls aileron." When we increase the camber of one wing by aileron deflection, yaw away from the desired direction of turn happens prior to bank in the desired direction of turn. When we push rudder in the desired direction of turn, yaw in the desired direction of turn happens immediately. Frieze ailerons and modern wing engineering like outboard wing warping mitigate and somewhat hide adverse yaw, but do not eliminate it. In older airplanes without the engineering to mitigate but not eliminate adverse yaw, pilots easily recognized the problem of adverse yaw. This problem was avoided by making minor directional control changes with the perfectly balanced, and thus primary, rudder. Rudder and aileron balance, for banked turns, was affected by leading rudder in a rudder and stick coordinated turn. "Stick and Rudder" just sounds better. Wolfgang certainly knew that rudder was primary.