once&futr_alaskaflyer wrote:Zane wrote:7. Rock chucks
Are those like woodchucks but meaner?
Night Flying Over Mountains
Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:36 pm
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Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:49 pm
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Rockchucks??
Just like woodchucks, but a lot stronger teeth!
lc
Are those like woodchucks but meaner?
Just like woodchucks, but a lot stronger teeth!
lc
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Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:13 pm
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I got no problems flying single engine over mountains at night. If one motor can fail, so can two.
Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:49 pm
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Hafast wrote:Zane wrote:qmdv wrote:Would I walk into a black bar in Boston and say "I am from LA and the Celtics suck" Not unless I had to.
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7. Rock chucks
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Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:50 pm
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once&futr_alaskaflyer wrote:Zane wrote:7. Rock chucks
Are those like woodchucks but meaner?
Just more contemplative.
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Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:04 pm
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Love how a thread strays. Anybody for a fly in Rock Chuck shoot.
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Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:08 pm
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I have to say, I declined the recent opportunity to fly over the the Rockies at night when I flew my girl out to the west coast...decided to take an extra stop along the way and reset for the next day...But I've got plenty of night time in the mountains get pulled around by turbines. I'd do that any day (er, night).
Night LZ landings are easier since you can't see the obstacles that would scare the shit out of you during the day.
Night LZ landings are easier since you can't see the obstacles that would scare the shit out of you during the day.
Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:30 pm
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I used to but I am older and wiser now. I would try to pick a night with a full moon if I did fly at night. I think there are enough challenges in the day time to fly single engine over high terrain at night.
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Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:22 pm
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If you have an engine failure at night, switch on your landing light. If you don't like what you see, switch it back off!!!!
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Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:30 pm
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Tons of night flying....
...over the mountains. ALL OF IT IN MULTI-ENGINE AIRPLANES. No I won't do it in a single engine. In fact even day VFR, over the mountains, my head is on a swivel looking for places to land.(lotsoluck huh?) Guess I am losing my nerve as I get older. When I was young, immortal and airplane engines never quit....I'd go anywhere anytime any airplane. But over the years I've melted down a couple of turbines, popped a head off of a Pratt and Whitney Radial, on a Twin Beech,threw the counter weight off a prop on a Baron, had a fire on a Rolls Royce Turboprop, a gear box failure on another turbine requiring a shut down, a fuel controller fail on a DC-9 engine, resulting in a shut down, a throttle cable jam on a B-757, which stuck the engine at idle, sucked birds into and wiped out one engine on a B-767.... and last Feb. a complete engine failure on a single at 1,500 agl that had me missing the trees by inches as I stalled into an open field.
Used to think that I was brave like GUMP. But sometimes think that maybe it is time to hang it up after 45 years of aviation and 5 thick logbooks.
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...over the mountains. ALL OF IT IN MULTI-ENGINE AIRPLANES. No I won't do it in a single engine. In fact even day VFR, over the mountains, my head is on a swivel looking for places to land.(lotsoluck huh?) Guess I am losing my nerve as I get older. When I was young, immortal and airplane engines never quit....I'd go anywhere anytime any airplane. But over the years I've melted down a couple of turbines, popped a head off of a Pratt and Whitney Radial, on a Twin Beech,threw the counter weight off a prop on a Baron, had a fire on a Rolls Royce Turboprop, a gear box failure on another turbine requiring a shut down, a fuel controller fail on a DC-9 engine, resulting in a shut down, a throttle cable jam on a B-757, which stuck the engine at idle, sucked birds into and wiped out one engine on a B-767.... and last Feb. a complete engine failure on a single at 1,500 agl that had me missing the trees by inches as I stalled into an open field.
Used to think that I was brave like GUMP. But sometimes think that maybe it is time to hang it up after 45 years of aviation and 5 thick logbooks.
Bob
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Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:36 pm
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z3skybolt wrote: over the years I've melted down a couple of turbines, popped a head off of a Pratt and Whitney Radial, on a Twin Beech,threw the counter weight off a prop on a Baron, had a fire on a Rolls Royce Turboprop, a gear box failure on another turbine requiring a shut down, a fuel controller fail on a DC-9 engine, resulting in a shut down, a throttle cable jam on a B-757, which stuck the engine at idle, sucked birds into and wiped out one engine on a B-767.... and last Feb. a complete engine failure on a single at 1,500 agl that had me missing the trees by inches as I stalled into an open field.
Damn good piloting, glad you're still here to tell us about those "adventures" Bob.
Things break, better tohave a decent plan B, and shutting off the landing light doesn't count!
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Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:02 pm
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i'm with gump on this one...when i do go at night, it is high with the ox on, and lots of options hopefully available....nite flying is very nice, cooler, quieter and etc. have some good equip available if u do...i've done here to vegas, here to prescott and or phoenix and here to mccall...single engine i believe is LESS to go wrong...not really any more dangerous than daytime trips in the frank at 100-600 ft off of the ground if it all hits the fan...its that "pay your $ and take your chances" thing...
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Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:10 am
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No lights no night
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Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:18 am
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Those of us who have lost an engine at night... in a single engine airplane... will never do it again!
Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:32 am
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The only real night solo I've done was a couple of years ago. It was on my first trip from Idaho to SoCal.
I stopped for fuel in Bishop and it was getting dark fast. I got back up in the air before dark-dark and got up to 9.5 and stay right over 395. Even though I was right over the highway on a clear night and on a VFR Flight Following, I was still almost scared shitless. Not sure If I'll do that again. But once I came over the mountains into the LA basin, I was like "awe man..... this is flippin cool!!!" But I was so awe struck I was still at 4000 feet when Fullerton tower cleared me to land when I was just passed the 57 freeway 
But yeah, I'm not a huge fan of flying at night. I'm mostly a sightseeing flyer, so flying at night is no fun to me.
I stopped for fuel in Bishop and it was getting dark fast. I got back up in the air before dark-dark and got up to 9.5 and stay right over 395. Even though I was right over the highway on a clear night and on a VFR Flight Following, I was still almost scared shitless. Not sure If I'll do that again. But once I came over the mountains into the LA basin, I was like "awe man..... this is flippin cool!!!" But I was so awe struck I was still at 4000 feet when Fullerton tower cleared me to land when I was just passed the 57 freeway
But yeah, I'm not a huge fan of flying at night. I'm mostly a sightseeing flyer, so flying at night is no fun to me.
Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:30 am
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Not for me in a single. Even if I'm backpacking I have my camp set up before dark and enjoy the sunset with a martini. You go down in the mountains after dark and you are in for a long, miserable night-that is if you survive. Hard to see cables and powerlines too. No thanks.
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Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:05 am
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To me (and most here) this is almost a rhetorical question,but I'll bite. No way. Why? Because if you fly long enough you WILL have the failure or something critical during the flight.Here's a true story of mine:
I was flying back from the east coast to Texas and during the preflight, I saw the winds up high were terrible.The most direct path was over the mountains of northern Georgia,but with the head winds that was not an option.So I flew a few miles away from the bases at a lower altitude and over flatter land. Well good thing cause the engine had a cylinder self destruct and I landed in a field with no damage to the airframe.Lots of folks came to help and all ended well.
This may have ended differently if I did fly the mountains,and this was daytime no less.No way would I ever do the above at night.Way too risky.So as others have stated,those that have had the experience and lived will not do it again.And by the way,I also did lots of s.e./ night/ifr in my younger days,but no more.With age comes wisdom and respect for the "gotchas" just waiting to bite......Herman.
P.S....not jammin' anyone else,just my present play book.
I was flying back from the east coast to Texas and during the preflight, I saw the winds up high were terrible.The most direct path was over the mountains of northern Georgia,but with the head winds that was not an option.So I flew a few miles away from the bases at a lower altitude and over flatter land. Well good thing cause the engine had a cylinder self destruct and I landed in a field with no damage to the airframe.Lots of folks came to help and all ended well.
This may have ended differently if I did fly the mountains,and this was daytime no less.No way would I ever do the above at night.Way too risky.So as others have stated,those that have had the experience and lived will not do it again.And by the way,I also did lots of s.e./ night/ifr in my younger days,but no more.With age comes wisdom and respect for the "gotchas" just waiting to bite......Herman.
P.S....not jammin' anyone else,just my present play book.
Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:17 am
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Not too wild about a really dark overcast night, where ya can't see the horizon and have to rely on instruments. Regular ol starry night, tho, or moonlight night... love it. 
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Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:18 am
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qmdv wrote:Love how a thread strays. Anybody for a fly in Rock Chuck shoot.
Please,
Don't take my comment as anything other than my personal emotion. I've killed varmits all of my life. Destructive ones as I am sure the Rock Chuck is. I am an old farm boy. I've seen what Gophers, Ground Hogs, Beavers....even Moles, Racoons,Possums and squirrels can do to crops and pastures.. Hell I shot 38 squirrels this summer who were trying to eat the sweet corn in my garden. Killed a deer last year that was destroying my garden. Fully understand the necessity of controlling the population of Coyotes, Wolves, Cougars, bear etc. So I don't have an issue with those who hunt them out of necessity or even for sport.
It is just me I know. But never.... never have I found pleasure or felt pride in the taking of life.....any life: no matter the necessity.
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Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:46 pm
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I prefer not to but, I will on a clear night high and in the cirrus. I never did in the 182. The chute does make a difference to me in this situation.
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