Could have been worse.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9db_1358826696

One of those "who's on first?" moments--and anyone who's flown for any length of time has had similar experiences. In some respects, it's amazing that there aren't more mid-airs in the pattern, considering how well some folks look out for others.

Cary

Cary wrote:One of those "who's on first?" moments--and anyone who's flown for any length of time has had similar experiences. In some respects, it's amazing that there aren't more mid-airs in the pattern, considering how well some folks look out for others.

Cary

Or talk without listening.

What are your thoughts about plane number 2 continuing on to land in the first planes wake?

Terry wrote:What are your thoughts about plane number 2 continuing on to land in the first planes wake?

I was thinking the same thing.

I have been on finals in the Cessna and had a Cresco fly over me to take the Number 1 spot for landing - but we agreed it first over the radio. He calls downwind at 7000ft and finals at 3000ft, and does it in the time it takes me to fly the Base leg and turn final, and being a jump operation their time is money. So if he wants to overtake and use the grass/seal (whichever I'm not), that's fine with me as long as he's got traffic in sight!

Cresco:

Thanks for the clarification on what the hell a Cresco is. I'm sure I'm not the only one wondering.
As long as the two of you have things worked out, and you are the only two in the pattern (circuit for our British system friends) I don't have a problem with you doing whatever you want to do. Now, in the wake of another airplane....eh.....you may want to climb 5 feet. Landing when actually in the wake of another airplane can get interesting. I haven't actually landed in the wake of another airplane but have encountered it, a few times behind a BIG airplane which is no fun at all, and a few times behind something about the same size which gets your attention.



(edited for to many glasses of wine at the hotel's pilot lounge)

Here's a longer video. I find it hard to follow and understand.

Yeah there was a Cessna 185 here that got flipped over trying to line up & roll too soon after a jet took off. Talked to the guys who's shop rebuilt it, apparently needed a whole new wing, tail rebuild job, cracked this and that, etc. pretty seriously expensive stuff. Shame to have that happen for the sake of not waiting 60 seconds.

Pundy wrote:

Terry wrote:What are your thoughts about plane number 2 continuing on to land in the first planes wake?

I was thinking the same thing.

Looks like the interloper was a 172. Not much potential for wake, unless it lands in the water. I would be more concerned about my concentration being disrupted and forgetting something important, like putting the gear down. I'd also be freaked out seeing all of those cars driving on the wrong side of the road, so maybe I would go around and set it up again.

CAVU

[quote="58Skylane"]Here's a longer video. I find it hard to follow and understand.


I agree with Pat..... Very hard to follow, or even understand their accent....

The second mistake was not having a sterile cockpit till they got back to the tie down.... There chatting could have lead to a runway incursion.. They sat there waiting to cross 35L for minutes before they even tuned in ground...

I got cleared into bozeman once and told to notify when I turned final. The controller forgot and ran an airliner down the downwind right in front of me, it sure was wild watching him roll out the flaps from 100 feet over him. Got the obligatory "you're number two now behind the boeing, caution wake turbulance." I was a student at the time and didn't know controllers made mistakes too, I'd give them a pirep now about a giant UFO filling my windshield.

porterjet wrote:I haven't actually landed in the wake of another airplane but have encountered it, a few times behind a BIG airplane which is no fun at all, and a few times behind something about the same size which gets your attention.

You want to talk wake...




I'm the 600lb. yellow taildragger on the taxiway right where he rotates (sh!tting my shorts and hanging on for life!). After he passes, the flag girl started waving me into the vortexes that you could still see in the dust. I declared "unable" for several minutes after...

[quote="Stol"][quote="58Skylane"]Here's a longer video. I find it hard to follow and understand.


I agree with Pat..... Very hard to follow, or even understand their accent....

Accent? What accent, I understood all of it. Where I learnt to fly we had an Indian (Sub continent not native American) as a controller in the tower, now there was an accent.

Amazing how quickly the C-5 got off.

Av8r3400 wrote:

porterjet wrote:I haven't actually landed in the wake of another airplane but have encountered it, a few times behind a BIG airplane which is no fun at all, and a few times behind something about the same size which gets your attention.

You want to talk wake...

I'm the 600lb. yellow taildragger on the taxiway right where he rotates (sh!tting my shorts and hanging on for life!). After he passes, the flag girl started waving me into the vortexes that you could still see in the dust. I declared "unable" for several minutes after...

Is it just me............. or did it look like the C-5 rubbed the ground with the aft fuselage as it rotated ?

If it didn't,, it was damn close..

If it didn't,, it was damn close..

Agreed.

Any light airplane creates wingtip vortices, which you feel if you get in the wrong place in formation flying. I'm really inexperienced in that kind of flying, although I've done a little of it in 182s. I have been caught in the vortices of a Beaver when I was in a 150, at Bryant AAF, Fort Richardson, AK in Jan 73, when I was learning to fly, and it tossed me around quite a bit. I was caught in the vortices of a 737 coming into old Denver Stapleton in our TR182 in 79 or 80--we were actually above the altitude of the 737, which was upwind of our flight path by about a mile--apparently the mountain wave effect was causing the vortices to rise at that point--and that rotated us past 90 degrees. Fortunately I had just completed a basic aerobatics course, or I might have had more problems with it. The biggest problem was the reaction of my passenger!

But for sure, best not to get too close to any airplane ahead--it can be pretty disconcerting if not dangerous.

Cary

Here is a clip of a controller getting confused and pulling my pucker strings. You can see the other a/c about 6:40 into the clip. I was tuned into potential problems as the controller at KCCR was obviously losing his situational awareness of where everyone was in the pattern.