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Non-English speaking pilot gets an F-15 escort

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-us-fla-aircraft-escorted-down,0,5928470.story

Talk about droppin' the dime...wow.

LA Times/AP wrote:BROOKSVILLE, Fla. (AP) — Authorities in Florida say military jets escorted down a small plane being flown by a French pilot, who was advised to not get behind the controls of the aircraft because he could not speak in English with officials.

According to the Hernando County Sheriff's Office, the pilot, who owned the Cessna plane, grew indignant when a certified instructor recommended he remain on the ground Wednesday. The pilot disregarded the warning and took off from the Hernando County Airport in Brooksville, about 42 miles north of Tampa.

John Cornelio, a spokesman for North American Aerospace Defense Command, said two fighter jets were dispatched to turn around the pilot, who landed at a South Florida airfield.

The sheriff's office says the pilot won't face criminal charges.
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WTF???? That makes no sense at all. Air Force must have needed a training sortie or something.

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How does that not make sense??? A pilot that cannot speak English and is not responding to controllers is definitely going to be scrambled on. That is exactly the reason that F-15s and F-16s sit alert all over this great nation of ours!
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Hernando County (KBKV - Brooksville, FL) is a non-towered airport. Doesn't have to talk to anyone, so I can't see fighters being scrambled for that.

I'm curious to know his precise route: he wasn't far from the [bogus] permanent TFR over Disneyworld, Class B airspace at Orlando and Tampa, and two Restricted areas that start at the surface and go waaay up high. Maybe his track suggested that he wanted to take out Mickey, or maybe there were activities going on in the Restricted area. Dingalings bust Class B airspace all the time, and I wouldn't think that would be enough to launch fighters.

Remember the young fellow who committed suicide by running a C-172 into a Tampa office building a few years back? If he was heading toward Tampa I'd guess that a few people had that on their mind.

We need a "Paul Harvey" to get the rest of the story.
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Last time I checked you could still fly a no radio airplane. Is Hernando County Airport a controlled field? Even if it is, could then have use the light gun (not that most controllers know how anymore)? Who said there was any need for him to talk to controllers? Just what business of this flight instructor was this? Without knowing more, we've got a busybody with a CFI (so what) and a couple cowboys in f15s burning the taxpayers money and putting lives at risk for what...oh, I missed the part about him being French!!! Freedom Fries anyone? With our rights to fly under assault every day, this incident conjures up everything that's wrong these days. It's certainly not a reflection of any of the things that make this country great.
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When in Rome do as the Roman's do. Speak English or get off the road or air. Go back to France and speak French or Mexico and drive Mexican. If this clown can't tell us what his intentions are in a traffic pattern he doesn't belong there.
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OscarDeuce wrote:Last time I checked you could still fly a no radio airplane. Is Hernando County Airport a controlled field? Even if it is, could then have use the light gun (not that most controllers know how anymore)? Who said there was any need for him to talk to controllers? Just what business of this flight instructor was this? Without knowing more, we've got a busybody with a CFI (so what) and a couple cowboys in f15s burning the taxpayers money and putting lives at risk for what...oh, I missed the part about him being French!!! Freedom Fries anyone? With our rights to fly under assault every day, this incident conjures up everything that's wrong these days. It's certainly not a reflection of any of the things that make this country great.


Exactly right, OD.

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Apollo wrote:How does that not make sense??? A pilot that cannot speak English and is not responding to controllers is definitely going to be scrambled on. That is exactly the reason that F-15s and F-16s sit alert all over this great nation of ours!


Too much TV, methinks.

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Just the opposite happened to me.

Last year, I was in NY NY and flew way, way up the Hudson River. Around Fort Ticonderoga, 122.8 was still congested... but it was all in French!! I tried to straighten 'em out, but I guess I should have punched up 121.5 and really taught them a lesson eh? I didn't get to see any Mirage jets, but maybe they are the ones who tried to intercept me with that ski jump on downwind at Lake Placid. (I easily out manuevered him and landed.) :-"

Agreed: I hope there is more to this story.

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Glidergeek wrote:When in Rome do as the Roman's do. Speak English or get off the road or air. Go back to France and speak French or Mexico and drive Mexican. If this clown can't tell us what his intentions are in a traffic pattern he doesn't belong there.


Yep!! I agree!!

When we (U S citizen) go to most foreign country's, we're expected to know there language and respect there culture. Am I not right?? The political correctness has gone way too far in this country!!!

But, I'll also agree that if this French pilot had at least his PPL, was flying out of an uncontrolled airport and staying in an uncontrolled airspace, then yes leave him alone as long as he's not posing any danger among any other aircraft in the pattern or airspace. He doesn't need to talk to any one anyway. But on the other hand, if the plane has an operational radio, the pilot should be using it and speaking fluent English.
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Man, if you think most Americans who visit a foreign country speak the language or are expected to, you haven't been to many foreign countries.... :lol:

I sincerely hope that the reason he was intercepted was due to an airspace bust.

Remember, folks, this IS the media after all, so who knows what teh REAL story is.

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mtv wrote:Man, if you think most Americans who visit a foreign country speak the language or are expected to, you haven't been to many foreign countries.... :lol:
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To be honest, I never been out of the US. But I have friends and co-workers that travel all over the world every week during the race season and I hear this stuff from them. So maybe they are just bull crapping me??? I dunno......I do know that when some of my co-workers travel to Japan on a regular basis, English is widely excepted over there in the big city's. But your expected to respect there culture and in some cases, follow it to a certain extent. Anyway, I'm not trying to get excited here and not going to waste much more space on stuff like this, but I'm just getting info from people I know that travel all over the world on a regular basis's.
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http://www2.hernandotoday.com/content/2010/jan/01/ha-plane-incident-a-simple-mix-up/

BROOKSVILLE - Much ado about nothing.

That's what Hernando County Airport Director Don Silvernell is saying after a man's purchase of a Cessna 425 Thursday and his so-called "unauthorized" takeoff from Hernando to South Florida without the proper clearance.

As it turns out, the man, who hails from Paris, France, bought the plane and took off in it as he had every right to do, Silvernell said.

In an "abundance of caution," officials at the airport's American Aviation decided to alert air traffic controllers in Tampa and Miami after he left because there was some question about his flying ability, said Silvernell and a sheriff's report.

Eventually, two F-15 fighter jets intercepted the plane and forced the pilot down in Collier County where he was questioned and released.

The man was licensed to fly and the whole incident was "blown out of proportion," Silvernell said Friday morning.

"It was his plane and he left with it," he said.

An FAA-certified instructor who flew with the plane's new owner, Jean-Claude Courtois, recommended the pilot's flying skills be re-evaluated by another instructor, according to a sheriff's report.

The instructor also worried that Courtois could not communicate well in English and may have a problem transmitting over the radio systems, the report said.

The report said all that was explained to the pilot through a translator, and the pilot became indignant and took off in the plane anyway, a fact verified by Silvernell.

The report said American Aviation reported this to the FAA in Tampa, who advised they had no authority since he had not broken any laws.

FAA Tampa advised American Aviation officials if they believed it was a security concern they should notify Tampa Airport Approach, which they did.

Silvernell said there were never any security concerns at the airport.
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With that mind-set, every Air Guard unit in the country will be getting unlimited practice scrambling fighters every time some JAL student pilot takes off on a fixed wing or rotor training flight.

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58Skylane wrote:When we (U S citizen) go to most foreign country's, we're expected to know there language and respect there culture. Am I not right??


I have not found that to be true to any great extent in Canada. We had been visiting for years and have since become legal residents (landed immigrants). I have no "eh" in my vocabulary, can't read one side of any of the packaged goods and still have not been shunned or ridiculed for this language deficiency.

As to the culture, you have to be suspect of a people that throw big rocks on the ice and then chase around it with brooms. And what's with that poutine stuff? Gravy on French fries? Canada is the home of the Dehavilland Beaver and I do respect that. I guess that is probably the reason I participate in some of their barbaric rites, such as fishing, hunting and the burning of fossils fuels in the pursuit of such. For the Beaver. In addition to this, I have discovered that they do not honor the socially acceptable 5:00 PM for the cocktail hour; it can happen at anytime from mid morning on. Yes, I have even found it necessary at times, to go along with such behavior, just for International diplomacy of course.

Now for that French pilot. Not enough information yet, but it sounds ridicules. Steve
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Great--I would strongly suggest that any of us who winds up in Florida boycott American Aviation. What a bunch of pr+^ks!! The guy owns the airplane, and THEY get to decide whether he's qualified to fly it?? And, if they don't think he is, they call out the Mounties? What a bunch of crap.

What we need in aviation is a bunch of do-good snot nosed jerks calling the FAA every time they perceive someone's piloting skills aren't quite up to snuff.

Grrrrrrr.

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So how come I have to pay 2 bucks to get a I can speak English note on my US pilots licence? :?:

And now if I don't get registered and make the right computer strokes , and get the correct authorization, I can get fined $10,000.00 for leaving the country incorrectly WTF!
I thought that was North Korea!
If the guy needed a check out and didn't pass it with the cfi, sounds like the cfi did what he was supposed to.
If you don't pass your Biannual requirement and you fly away, your screwed also?, Correct?
The guy isn't legal to fly in the US if he can't understand or speak English, Am I incorrect here??
Sound like the CFI had some serious concerns. I'm not one to call the FAA on anything / anytime, but some jerk flying around in a 425 that can't speak English would make me nervous also.

I made a mistake on the date on my EAPIS entry and it took 4 hours to get through the customs BS.
You really don't want to make a mistake on a Sunday as there is no one to call to help.
? would of I had F15's looking for me if I had just said the hell with it and took of on my way home?
No I think the customs guy would have had to shoot me before I could have left!!

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you don't need to speak English, Deaf can get their PPL just have to stay out of class D and up, there is even a girl with no arms that can fly, but the French is where we draw the line?
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"What we need in aviation is a bunch of do-good snot nosed jerks calling the FAA every time they perceive someone's piloting skills aren't quite up to snuff".

Ya, I think If a CFI say's this guy can't fly the plane worth a shit and can't speak English good enough to communicate in this environment then he may be a hazard to you and me. A Flight review is not a pass / fail. But if the CFI doesn't feel you are a safe or knowledgeable pilot he does not have to endorse your log book. If he doesn't endorse it your not in compliance with 61.56 and you can't fly the plane legally. Sounds like this guy was getting checked out in the plane and going to move on and the CFI didn't feel confident that he was competent in the aircraft. You ever called 911 cause you saw somebody driving recklessly?
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mtv wrote:I would strongly suggest that any of us who winds up in Florida boycott American Aviation. What a bunch of pr+^ks!! The guy owns the airplane, and THEY get to decide whether he's qualified to fly it?? And, if they don't think he is, they call out the Mounties? What a bunch of crap.

What we need in aviation is a bunch of do-good snot nosed jerks calling the FAA every time they perceive someone's piloting skills aren't quite up to snuff.

Grrrrrrr.

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Amen, Brother. I agree 100%. American Aviation should be ashamed of itself - their conduct was completely inappropriate.

And for anyone who says that Americans traveling abroad are expected to speak the local language and observe the local customs . . . if only it were so! I have lived and traveled extensively outside the US, and can tell countless stories of oafish Americans who expect every foreign country to be just like their home town, right down to the food and the street signs. I've heard whining and bitching from adults and children because they didn't get ice in their glass of water, or the burger was prepared differently, or the hotel toilets "looked different," or the highway signs were printed in the local language rather than English. It's genuinely embarrassing. It would be great if we really did try to speak the local language and fit in to the local way of doing things, but the overwhelming majority of the Americans I've observed overseas make no effort to do so. Frankly, I'm surprised that someone who has never traveled overseas himself would claim to know what foreigners expect of us.
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