Grassstrippilot wrote:Oops! I meant to say load. Not sure why it auto-corrected to kid. Anyway, I just looked and my old plane had an empty weight of 1879.8 and a CG of 40.5. The new plane weighs 1879.2 with a CG of 34.1.

Wow! That is a pretty big CG difference, particularly with virtually identical empty weights.....

My experience with these airplanes is that they're all generally forward CG, though...which, considering the cargo area is a good thing.

MTV

Yeah, that's why I'm puzzled and was wondering if there was a weight difference. Anyway, I'm anxious to see how it flies with my normal load in there. I'm thiking VGs will be added sooner than later to help with the elevator authority.

Glad to see everything has turned out well for you in this accident. It will make me rethink some of the places I have landed as well. Great learning experience and thanks for sharing.

On another note, I noticed you live in Syracuse and looked you up. Have you lived in that house since it was built?! Just wondering because my company built that neighborhood including your home. Don't tell anyone though.....

I'll guess this is Joe from Rainey homes. Yes, I've been there since it was built. You took me for a ride in your Cirrus from St. George to OGD. How have you been?

Grassstrippilot wrote:I'll guess this is Joe from Rainey homes. Yes, I've been there since it was built. You took me for a ride in your Cirrus from St. George to OGD. How have you been?

I think he feels like a 'wild Mustang!

Oh ya, I remember now! Things are well with me. Market is good again, so I can afford to buy fuel for my planes. Again, glad to see you are up and flying again. We need to get together for lunch one of these days when I"m in town. I'm still in SLC 2 days a week usually. We moved our office from Kaysville to Bountiful and haven't built homes in Syracuse for over 10 years now. Mostly building in Salt Lake County now and in Arizona. I live in Phoenix and go back and forth.

Edited to add: Just looked at my logbooks. Shows you flew with me on November 1, 2005 from SGU to OGD. Did ILS 3 into OGD. That has been awhile. I had just got home with my TBM 700 at the time and was transitioning into it. I only flew that Cirrus about 4 or 5 more times after that.

Grassstrippilot wrote:... my old plane had an empty weight of 1879.8 and a CG of 40.5. The new plane weighs 1879.2 with a CG of 34.1.

These are both 205's?
Wow, that's a BIG difference in CG, esp considering the identical weight.
Are they equipped / modified similarly?
You might check the W&B sheets over carefully, I've seen quite a few where either the arms were incorrect or the math was wrong.

At some point in the last 12 years, I had the actual W&B done on my airplane vs. just calculating. I can't recall the reason for doing the actual W&B right now, but there was quite a bit of difference. There weren't any massive calculation errors evident, but just little things like roundings and a couple of minor miscalcs. But over 45 or 50 years, those things add up.

Cary

Yeah they both are 205s. The old plane had some stuff in the tail for the old autopilot, but nothing that looked very heavy. We had weighed it twice, so I would think that would have gotten rid of any calculation errors. More importantly, it flew like the CG was farther aft.

Anyway, I guess it's a moot point. What I have is what I have and I now need to learn to fly it. I'll look up in the avionics bay and make sure I'm not carrying around any dead weight in the form of old radio components. Otherwise,I'll get my gear in this week when I get home and see how it flies.

Glad to hear things are going well Joe. PM me and we can have lunch sometime.

those 205's are awesome birds..my buddy in challis had one, and put it everywhere in the frank quite easily even loaded......rich bush had/has one also...good choice corey....see ya at jc in june in the rain....!

Looking forward to it Jo!

Man, small world!

Joe, I flew your TBM a bunch when I was with Avex. Left a few years ago to go back to my regular gig.

Maybe I'll see you sometime in Utah or Idaho. I'll be in Utah camping the first week of May.

Chris

Good to hear from you Chris. It has been awhile. Definitely look me up when you come to Utah or ID. I try to live up in Wyoming most of the summer. You definitely need to give up that gig flying big buses and get back to training.

Grassstrippilot wrote:Oh, and one more thing I learned. I had just renewed my insurance and as an afterthought, I thought I should have raised the value. Next year I thought. Well, the extra $10-15K would have come in handy. I was lucky and was able to replace my plane for under the value of the insurance check. But when I looked at what was on the market, that value wasn't going to cover it. I'd encourage everyone to look at your aircraft type and see what a comparable one is going for and adjust as needed. It would be well worth the extra few bucks if you needed it.

Thanks for mentioning that—it makes me feel better after seeing insurance bill for raising my hull value to CAD 85K when I renewed this month.

My PA-28-161 had still been insured for CAD 55K, but with the falling Canadian dollar, and the addition of new avionics, I realised it was way underinsured, and the that insurance company could just write it off for minor damage and end up ahead.

One needs to be a little careful about over insuring your plane too much. Set the value too high and your insurer may decide for you that the plane should be repaired rather than totaled. Sometimes you don't want em back, not to mention the months and months you'll go without a plane while it is being repaired.

Idahomike wrote:One needs to be a little careful about over insuring your plane too much. Set the value too high and your insurer may decide for you that the plane should be repaired rather than totaled. Sometimes you don't want em back, not to mention the months and months you'll go without a plane while it is being repaired.

Thanks for the warning. CAD 85,000 is currently USD 67,000, which seems reasonable for a 1979 Warrior II with a mid-time engine, STEC 20 A/P, and new GTN 650 GPS and GTX 345 ADS-B out transponder.

The challenge is tracking the difference in value as the Canadian and US dollars roller-coaster up and down against each-other. If the CAD goes back up to par with the USD, then I'll be overinsured (that's why I cut from CAD 70,000 to CAD 55,000 a few years back).

Having killed my old plane last year I sure feel for you, sorry to hear about your troubles and glad it worked out ok.

No matter how many mistakes we can see around, they will not be informative until we make them by ourselves. And only then we start realizing that we could have avoided them. We just need to switch on our brains from time to time. I am from https://worldpostalcode.com/united-stat ... a/san-jose, and I liked your story a lot. It is good that everyone was safe.