I here no joy around here. Never heard tally ho in the air. I did here it in town on the street where the hookers work.

Rickety ladders and beat to shit fueling nozzles. No automatic shut offs. Dirty bathrooms.

SE6601KF wrote:Must be winter.

The hottest thread on the board right now is "Pet Peeves"

No shit!! And some fellow BCPer wants to give some sorry loser pilots like me a hard time for posting in about every thread there is and using too many stupid smileys??? Give me an F ing break and get a life!! (oh wait, that would be me )

I can't believe he hasn't replied a "Pet Peeve" about how long this "Tally Ho" and "No Joy" crap has been going on in this thread! Which I find interesting, like Jearl said. I just learned to fly a few years ago too and I've never heard these terms. I really don't give a crap if any of you or any other pilots want to use this term. Hell, I might even use these terms a time or two now (after all, I am a trucker and have been known to "Jibber Jabber" on the radio a time or two).

If I ever hear someone behind me calling "Bogie in sight" I think I might get a little worried. Here's some more terms maybe we should know, I have actually head some of these:

* Affirmative — Yes
* Negative — No
* Reading you Five / Loud and clear — I understand what you say 5x5.
* Over — I have finished talking and I am listening for your reply. Short for "Over to you."
* Out — I have finished talking to you and do not expect a reply.
* Clear — I have finished talking to you and will be shutting my radio off.
* Roger — Information received.
* Copy — I understand what you just said (after receiving information).
* Wilco — Will comply (after receiving new directions).
* Go ahead or Send your traffic — Send your transmission.
* Say again — Please repeat your last message (Repeat is not used as it is a specific command when calling for artillery fire)
* Break — Signals a pause during a long transmission to open the channel for other transmissions, especially for allowing any potential emergency traffic to get through.
* Break-Break — Signals to all listeners on the frequency, the message to follow is priority. Almost always reserved for emergency traffic or in NATO forces, an urgent 9 line or Frag-O.
* Standby or Wait one — Pause for the next transmission. This usually entails staying off the air until the operator returns after a short wait.
* Callsign-Actual — Sometimes an individual (generally a superior) may have a person monitor the network for them. Saying "actual" after their callsign asserts you wish to speak to the specific person the callsign is attached to.
* Sécurité — Maritime safety call. Repeated three times. Has priority over routine calls.
* Pan-pan — Maritime/aviation urgency call. Repeated three times. Has priority over safety calls.
* Mayday — Maritime/aviation distress call. Repeated three times and at beginning of every following transmission relating to the current distress situation. Has priority over urgency and safety calls.
*Tally Ho - Traffic or target acquired
*No Joy - Traffic or Target not acquired


Roger, Wilco, Over

There seems to be a misconception that terms like "tally", "visual", "blind", and "no joy" are outdated relics from previous chapters of military aviation. In fact they are still very much in use, in both air-to-air and air-to-ground communications. There's a manual called the "Multi-Service Brevity Codes" (or JCOM Brevity for short) that lists and defines these terms. There's no reason for most in this audience to be familiar with the terms as only some carry over into FAA standardized terminology, but if you do hear it on the radio it's not necessarily the case that the speaker is just pumped up from recently watching Flying Leathernecks. I'll admit to having slipped and used some of this terminology with ATC at times, but I generally catch myself and back it up with the appropriate civilian equivalent. As someone else pointed out, using non-standard terminology in a given context is about as useful as transmitting in Pig Latin - it doesn't earn cool points, it just bogs down the freq as others try to figure what the hell you just said.

Trivia for anyone who cares - the distinction between "tally" and "visual" is an important one. "Tally" means you have the bad guy in sight, "visual" means you have the good guy in sight. If you're engaged with a bandit (which basically means you're keeping him focused on you and his flight path predictable while your wingman maneuvers for a shot), hearing "Tally, visual" gives you the warm fuzzy that your wingman is about to take a shot on the right guy.

Another Pet Peeve of mine involves the runup area. I usually warm up my plane before I taxi so when I get to the runway I will be ready to takeoff. Sometimes I get to the runup area and there will be an instructor and student there. I do a quick runup and right as I start going they will pull out right in front of me. Then when they get to the hold short line they just sit there without calling to ATC for 5 minutes.

I don't know if they are still warming up or if the instructor is still giving the student instruction. I figure if your at the runway you should be ready to take off. Pisses me off and happens all the time around here. One time there were three planes waiting for some idiot to decide what he was doing.

Actually, just about everything pisses me off when I am stuck inside and the sky is white. Over

Jaerl wrote:Another Pet Peeve of mine involves the runup area. I usually warm up my plane before I taxi so when I get to the runway I will be ready to takeoff. Sometimes I get to the runup area and there will be an instructor and student there. I do a quick runup and right as I start going they will pull out right in front of me. Then when they get to the hold short line they just sit there without calling to ATC for 5 minutes.

I don't know if they are still warming up or if the instructor is still giving the student instruction. I figure if your at the runway you should be ready to take off. Pisses me off and happens all the time around here. One time there were three planes waiting for some idiot to decide what he was doing.

Actually, just about everything pisses me off when I am stuck inside and the sky is white. Over

I had that happen in Oakland one foggy morning when I was flying a G1 for a famous electricity company. We were to heavy to takeoff on 27 so we had to taxi to 29 every day. This one fine morning we called the tower as we approached the end of 29 and they asked us to pull into the runup area and wait. There were already 2 737's in the runup area so we pulled in next to them and waited. As instructed. About 2 minutes later a freightdog Navajo comes rolling down the taxiway, pulls up to the yellow line, does a quick runup then calls the tower. The controller was either cool or couldn't see us through the fog, he advises the Navajo he is number 7 for departure from the airport and number 4 from the south side. It took this future rocket scientist another minute to figure out he was in the way but he finally did look out his left window and, I hope, sheepishly turned around and got in line. I guess it never occurred to him the jets in the runup area were there for a reason.

The phrase tally-ho is a largely British phrase, used in foxhunting, shouted when a rider sees the fox

Glidergeek wrote:The phrase tally-ho is a largely British phrase, used in foxhunting, shouted when a rider sees the fox

Yes, and at the beach in Malibu it has a similar meaning and just a few miles away at the corner of Century and Inglewood it means something else.

So I've heard.

Jaerl wrote: * Break — Signals a pause during a long transmission to open the channel for other transmissions, especially for allowing any potential emergency traffic to get through.



Roger, Wilco, Over

Since you didn't say, "roger, wilco, OUT" I'll chime in.

I have one problem with your list. "Break" means I am done with that transmission and and moving on to my next.

Example 1:
ATC: citrus 123 you are cleared to land runway 27 right, standby read back, BREAK, delta 123 you appear to be lined up on a taxiway!

Example 2:
ATC: cessna 123 could you relay to NWA 987 that they have overflown the field?

Cessna 123: center, this is cessna 123 wilco, BREAK, NWA 987, center advises you have over flown the field.

BREAK...

As to traffic, when ever advised I simple reply with "In Sight", or "Looking" depending on weather or not I see it. It's not in the AIM (just like tally ho and no joy) but they sound way less dumb.

Roger, wilco, over

GlassPilot wrote:

Jaerl wrote: * Break — Signals a pause during a long transmission to open the channel for other transmissions, especially for allowing any potential emergency traffic to get through.



Roger, Wilco, Over

..

I have one problem with your list. "Break" means I am done with that transmission and and moving on to my next.

Example 1:
ATC: citrus 123 you are cleared to land runway 27 right, standby read back, BREAK, delta 123 you appear to be lined up on a taxiway!

Example 2:
ATC: cessna 123 could you relay to NWA 987 that they have overflown the field?

Cessna 123: center, this is cessna 123 wilco, BREAK, NWA 987, center advises you have over flown the field.

BREAK...

As to traffic, when ever advised I simple reply with "In Sight", or "Looking" depending on weather or not I see it. It's not in the AIM (just like tally ho and no joy) but they sound way less dumb.

x2

lol beat me to it

Well......
I wasn't indicating we should all go 'WWII' and/or 'British privileged' on the radio. Or even '50's' or '60's' vintage. I was attempting to advocate understanding, tolerance, and just maybe a tad bit of appreciation for our rich aviation heritage.......

Completely wasted binary bits for some.........

lc

BCPilots, I'll relay that to the internet site I stole the list from Break Good Night

Over and Out

Maybe we should be a little more politicly correct and say "Woman of the night census"
We might also look at changing the name of the cockpit when there are women pilots. Maybe instead of Cockpit it should be Box Office.
GJ

Jaerl wrote:...Then when they get to the hold short line they just sit there without calling to ATC for 5 minutes. I don't know if they are still warming up or if the instructor is still giving the student instruction. I figure if your at the runway you should be ready to take off.....

Just as bad or maybe worse is when they make a takeoff call, then pull out onto the runway & stop. I've seen people do that for what seems like a full minute. Don't know if it's a last minute underwear adjustment or what but it sure makes it hard for other people waiting to get in the air if the pattern's crowded. Personally I don't like to sit on the runway with my back to oncoming traffic even when directed to do so ("taxi into position & hold", or nowadays "line up and wait") at a towered airport-- if someone's gonna hit me, I wanna be able to at least glare at him while he does it.

hotrod150 wrote:Just as bad or maybe worse is when they make a takeoff call, then pull out onto the runway & stop. I've seen people do that for what seems like a full minute.

Yeah, I've seen moose and bear do the same darn thing. No manners.

I was coming into Provo today and made a call 5 miles out. About 30 seconds later someone called 8 miles out from behind me. The ATC asked me if I had him in sight. I came real close to saying "No Joy" just to see what he said, but I didn't. Why should I be looking behind me anyway?

It sounds like some fly like they were in rush hour traffic. I can't say I look forward to the next time I'm told by Tower to position and hold I'll get flipped off by some other pilot in a hurry.
Or if I tell the tower I'm ready for take off but my check list falls to the floor and I take a min to retrieve it before I take the runway or double check my instruments prior to release of brakes
Just maybe the ATC looking at radar 3 miles behind you to the left, he not being a pilot might think you can see the other aircraft or that he is advising both aircraft that you are not that far a part.

Green Hornet wrote:... I can't say I look forward to the next time I'm told by Tower to position and hold I'll get ....

You shouldn't be told to position and hold anymore...

mountainmatt wrote:

Green Hornet wrote:... I can't say I look forward to the next time I'm told by Tower to position and hold I'll get ....

You shouldn't be told to position and hold anymore...