+1 to Cary on that latest posting !!!

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At his best, man is the noblest of all animals; separated from law and justice he is the worst.
Aristotle

Hey Pierre,

I had a similar experience this summer on Folsom as well, C39, explained the same rationale to the no fun police to no avail. They blamed it on Bur of Reclamation. I contacted them and spoke to a well informed guy in charge. He basically stated that they had given up any claims to the seaplane base there and emailed me the documents. Stated it was up to the State Parks and Rec. It appears that the FAA has also agreed to "abandon" the seaplane bases there and at Lk Berryessa. Kind of sucks. Don't think there was any public hearing over any of that, usual arbitrary gubment decision. If you're interested, I'll fwd on the docs to you.

I'd be interested in obtaining one of these mythical permits they speak of as well. I too am based out of Auburn with some of those Icon aircraft.
It's a great lake to train and enjoy 10 min away....

Thx,
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So what did the jerk kid get other than reinforcement that he can be a jerk and that his parents will sue to defend him and some poor gym teacher who doesn't even get paid a living wage ends up loosing half of it.

floatdog wrote:So what did the jerk kid get other than reinforcement that he can be a jerk and that his parents will sue to defend him and some poor gym teacher who doesn't even get paid a living wage ends up loosing half of it.

I assume you're talking about my post of Oct. 10.

Let's look at it from his and his parents' standpoint. Here's a 15 year old kid whose mouthy comments deserved some discipline, no argument there. But did he deserve as "discipline" to be bodily picked up by a 45 year old gym teacher who outweighed him by 60 pounds and slammed against the lockers? Since when is it proper discipline for any adult to man-handle a 120 lb. kid for being mouthy? Is that a good image for any teacher to project, that a physical assault is the right answer to a lewd comment? As it happens, the kid wasn't hurt other than minor bruising--but how hard is too hard, potentially resulting in serious injury?

Here's the real question: Since when does a 45 year old teacher who acts like a bully toward students not deserve some discipline himself? What would you suggest instead, charge him criminally with assault and battery? That would have been a slam-dunk prosecution, and it would have destroyed his career. Or perhaps you'd prefer that the teacher, in spite of his stepping way, way over the line, should get no discipline at all? How would that be fair, or proper?

No, I think that what the kid learned was that there is proper behavior and improper behavior, and those who engage in improper behavior, whether they be children or adults, should be fairly penalized. I don't pretend to have all of the answers to how to discipline kids or adults--I don't think anyone does. But I do know when someone has stepped over the line of proper behavior enough that he must be disciplined.

BTW, experienced teachers in that District's schools are all paid a good living wage. Losing his 20% bonus for being a gym teacher wasn't going to be comfortable (that is, after all, the purpose of discipline), but neither he nor his family were going to starve.

Cary

"No, I think that what the kid learned was that there is proper behavior and improper behavior, and those who engage in improper behavior, whether they be children or adults, should be fairly penalized."


Unfortunately, as evidenced in many schools, particularly in affluent areas, what the kid actually learns is if he steps out of line his mommy and daddy will step in and march an attorney into the office to save their little boy. Most of us grew up in the days when you made lewd remarks to a girl, you were the bully, and not the feared gym teacher who grabbed you by the scruff of the neck for doing so, and your parents reaffirmed what a jerk you were when you got home.

Not today. It's sad to say more often than not in the affluent areas around here when Johnny does something wrong, there are three people in the principals office with Johnny, his mommy and daddy, and an attorney. I don't know how the rest of us grew up without ever having an attorney in the principals office when we needed discipline.

But then again, I've never been inclined to walk out in traffic and demonstrate and riot when my presidential candidate lost, not did I ask where the "safe spot" was when I went to college.

Surprise, surprise, looks like they dropped all charges, maybe this was to avoid getting sued to the point that they would have to sell that police chiefs "medals" to raise money lol

http://m.startribune.com/charges-droppe ... 403406556/

Thanks for following up.

BTW, the reporter I wrote to never replied to me.

And the dismissal of charges against the pilot doesn't make the national media like the original story of his arrest and being called an imbecile did.

Pierre

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I assume you're talking about my post of Oct. 10.

Let's look at it from his and his parents' standpoint. Here's a 15 year old kid whose mouthy comments deserved some discipline, no argument there. But did he deserve as "discipline" to be bodily picked up by a 45 year old gym teacher who outweighed him by 60 pounds and slammed against the lockers? Since when is it proper discipline for any adult to man-handle a 120 lb. kid for being mouthy? Is that a good image for any teacher to project, that a physical assault is the right answer to a lewd comment? As it happens, the kid wasn't hurt other than minor bruising--but how hard is too hard, potentially resulting in serious injury?

Here's the real question: Since when does a 45 year old teacher who acts like a bully toward students not deserve some discipline himself? What would you suggest instead, charge him criminally with assault and battery? That would have been a slam-dunk prosecution, and it would have destroyed his career. Or perhaps you'd prefer that the teacher, in spite of his stepping way, way over the line, should get no discipline at all? How would that be fair, or proper?

No, I think that what the kid learned was that there is proper behavior and improper behavior, and those who engage in improper behavior, whether they be children or adults, should be fairly penalized. I don't pretend to have all of the answers to how to discipline kids or adults--I don't think anyone does. But I do know when someone has stepped over the line of proper behavior enough that he must be disciplined.

BTW, experienced teachers in that District's schools are all paid a good living wage. Losing his 20% bonus for being a gym teacher wasn't going to be comfortable (that is, after all, the purpose of discipline), but neither he nor his family were going to starve.

Cary[/quote]



Great post!!!

An adult who cannot control their own temper, should not be a teacher, or in any way employed in a role of authority.

But when said adult goes so far as to assault a kid, they have to be disciplined, and I actually would have gone further than that. As a parent myself, assault my kid, and feel my wrath.

When I was young, an abusive teacher got away with a lot because everyone was scared to stand up to him, including me. Never again will i just stand by and be the victim, or let my child be.