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Pilot's guide to portable shelters and tents

Hammer once again brings us a solid knowledge base article, this time a guide to tents and everything remotely related to tents. Tarps, floorless tents, hammocks, and heated tents are all discussed with Hammer's unique brand of humor gluing it together. Enjoy. Only click the link if you're not in love with the idea of massive modular tent villages.

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Standard appeal to the community: Help me beef up the knowledge base. It's a mere skeleton right now but it can be so much more. It's not a replacement for the forum, but sometimes it's worth it to distill and consolidate the good info that exists in the forums so people who are learning or need a reference don't have to wade through pages of conversation and thread drift.

Pick a topic, it can be your favorite airplane, or a gear guide like this one, or a technique tutorial. Several people can participate in a single entry too. We should all be asking ourselves why the Skywagon modification list and links to STCs and manufacturers isn't more complete given that it's such a common forum topic. 8)
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Re: Pilot's guide to portable shelters and tents

I think you should find someone who's knowledgable and sober to write an article on shelters.
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Re: Pilot's guide to portable shelters and tents

I concur. Most of the articles that Hammer has concocted, is a cacophony of drunken gibberish that makes no sense. You think you people would have learned by now.
I mean, have you ever strolled down around 742 Evergreen Terrace, The people there are not exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer!
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Sidewinder wrote:I mean, have you ever strolled down around 742 Evergreen Terrace, The people there are not exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer!


Never take knife advice from a guy with 4-finger hands.
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Re: Pilot's guide to portable shelters and tents

I have much more mountaineering and backpacking experience that I do flying experience so I was pretty curious to see what perspective this was written from. I'm very impressed, Hammer. Looks like you've tried about everything and aren't very partial to any single form or brand, just quality and appropriate application.

Just like you mentioned, sleeping under the stars is my default. I've learned how long it takes the dew to dry off my sleeping bag (it's black so that helps), and unless there is guaranteed rain/weather, I'm happy with that. I recently took a motorcycle trip where I just laid my pad/bag out next to my bike and woke up with the sunrise every morning - not much better than that.

I also own a tarp (very useful for motorcycle trips too - can cover your bike and you) and then a North Face VE25 (a generation older than yours) for the really nasty stuff or real mountaineering.

Maybe I'm crazy or it's just the engineer in me, but pitching a tarp properly is one of my favorite things when I get to camp. I take pride in a pitch that doesn't flap in the wind, doesn't hold water, correct angle for sun protection in the day, adjustable if needed, etc. Seems like you might be the same way.

Great article,
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Re: Pilot's guide to portable shelters and tents

Really great write-up. I don't have anything else to say, but wanted to say it!
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+1 for a great, and thorough article Ravi!
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Re: Pilot's guide to portable shelters and tents

I really enjoyed the article also. Ravi's comedic anecdotes always deliver. Well written.

Simply put, I sleep like a drunk baby on Xanax in my hammock.


I posted a couple questions in the article comments, but I will post it here also.


A few questions. What type, and lengths of cordage do you carry with you in all these different scenarios? It seems that you would have a standard "list" of cordage for each type of setup. Or is this something that is just part of your kit that you always have with you regardless of the setup?
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I'm not hauling Ravi's tent, but I will follow him around and open his beer for him while he sets it up for us. :-)


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I'm not hauling Ravi's tent, but I will follow him around and open his beer for him while he sets it up for us. :-)


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That's a bad choice Barnstormer...it's a lot less work to pitch a tent than it is to open my beers while I do it. You'll have carpal tunnel syndrome before I get the stakes pounded in.

And believe it or not, that tent, with the stove and stove pipe, weighs just a bit over ten pounds and packs smaller than my 3-person mountaineering tent.
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Re: Pilot's guide to portable shelters and tents

Great article, Hammer! Thank you for sharing your insights and experience. I'd brushed off the notion of a hammock before, but now will have to look for an opportunity to try one.
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Crzyivan13 wrote:I really enjoyed the article also. Ravi's comedic anecdotes always deliver. Well written.

Simply put, I sleep like a drunk baby on Xanax in my hammock.


I posted a couple questions in the article comments, but I will post it here also.


A few questions. What type, and lengths of cordage do you carry with you in all these different scenarios? It seems that you would have a standard "list" of cordage for each type of setup. Or is this something that is just part of your kit that you always have with you regardless of the setup?


Good question regarding the cordage…it’s almost a article in itself, especially when it comes to hammocks, but I’ll give the basic rundown here. Believe it or not, this is the short version...

For starters, line can add a lot of weight and bulk to a system, especially a hammock or tarp system that uses a fair amount of line to begin with. It doesn’t matter quite so much in an airplane, but for a long backpacking or pack rafting trip, replacing 2mm line with .75mm line can make a very noticeable difference. Ultralight line like Spectra and amsteel are the bees knees for weight-critical applications, but are often much harder to work with than nylon line. I have a few different cordage setups for different applications, mostly based on weight.

Some of the images show pretty large lines being used on tarp pitches. Those are river throw bags that got hijacked because there wasn't any other option. I don't recommend using cord that large if you have a choice.

Tents:
All my tents have around ten feet of line for every tie-out. I generally use 1.5~2.5mm nylon cord, or whatever came with the tent, as most high-end tents come with guy lines. For the heated teepee tent I rigged up a half dozen amsteel whoopey slings…sort of a crude version of my tie downs which utilize the same friction splice, but which cannot be released while under load. That’s not an advantage…just the result of a simpler system. I went to the trouble of making those because the teepee tent catches a lot more wind, and the consequences of tent collapse are a lot higher with a lit stove inside. At 550 pounds breaking strength and zero stretch they’re overkill for most applications.

A word on using dynema fiber (amsteel…ZingIT…etc.): It’s the lightest and strongest fiber made, but it’s not the best for every application. For one, you have to splice the ends to keep it from unraveling since it doesn’t melt well. For another, it is too slippery to work with 90% of the knots people commonly use. Finally, because there isn’t any stretch in the fiber, it can be hard to tension a ridge line or guy-out. A line with some stretch in it will tension much better than a line without any…imagine trying to pull a steel cable tight between two trees and tie it off.

Some people have come up with clever little pieces of hardware to replace knots when using small dynema line like ZingIT, and while they do work, they’re somewhat of a pain in the arse to use and they cause a lot of tangles. If weight isn’t a super-critical part of the matrix I’d much rather just use good nylon line and a knot.

Tarps:

For the Tarp I usually cary 150 feet of 2.5mm nylon line for the ridge line. It’s usually way more than I need, but sometimes that extra length really comes in handy. To reduce tangles I feed the line into the bottom of the stuff sack that carries the tarp and use the sack like a rope bag after I pull the tarp out. If I only need 40 feet of line the other 110 feet stays in the bag, which just hangs there after I tie it off. You don’t coil the line into the bag…just thread it in and it stays remarkably tangle-free.

If I’m going ultra-light I substitute 150 feet of ZingIT, which is very thin dynema line. As mentioned above, the reason I don’t use dynema all the time is it’s harder to work with…thinner, slippery, and difficult to to tie a good knot in. You cannot use a taut-line hitch with dynema, for example, and you cannot use a simple Prussic hitch to secure the tarp ends to a dynema ridge line because it’s too slippery.

All the tie-out points on my tarp have 16 feet of either .75mm or 1.5mm nylon line permanently attached and rolled n’ tied into little sausages for travel. The .75 line is really a bit of a pain in the arse to use, but it’s light and adequately strong so long as it’s not abraded in any way. 1.5mm line is much easier to work with and lasts longer, but on a ultralight backpacking trip the weight actually does make a difference.

Hammocks:

Hammock rigging is the most line-intensive, and I have three different systems I choose between depending on weight and bulk. Hennessy sleeping hammocks come with the lines attached to the hammock. It’s lighter and more compact, and the manufacture can spec it with high quality line that nobody but an arborist or sailor would even know exists. It’s the lightest, most versatile, and simplest system, but the most inconvenient to adjust. Every adjustment means untying then retying a couple knots.

With a hammock you have to decide if you’re going to suspend the tarp from the hammock lines, or if you’re going to run a “top line” above the hammock for the tarp. If you go for a top line you don’t need anything like 150 feet of cord, since you cannot hang a hammock from very wide supports regardless of how much line you have. Hammocks need to be hung with a distinct bow…they need to look more like a “U” than a “—“ to hang right. The distance between the supports is limited by how high you can secure the line in order to get the proper shape. So 30 feet of tarp line is usually more than adequate. Again, I generally use 1.5~2.5mm nylon line because it’s the easiest to work with, and dynema line when I’m going super-light.

I use a wide webbing “cambium saver” strap around the tree to protect the bark, then tie or clip into that strap with whatever system I’m using that day. On a large tree with heavy bark (think ponderosa pine or Doug fir) you can skip the cambium saver…you can’t hurt that bark, and the straps I cary won’t go around a really large tree anyway.

Not surprisingly, I use a set of my airplane tie downs to hang my hammock most of the time. They’re faster and more convenient than any other system because it’s super easy to adjust the tension of the lines, but if I’m going ultra-light I substitute 16 feet of 3mm spectra-core line on each end of the hammock and just tie knots. 16 feet is a lot more line than you’d think you need, but wrapping around a large tree eats up a lot of cord. I rigged my hammock so I can easily swap out the lines as I choose to.

On my lounging hammocks that have hooks at the ends I use two sixteen-foot nylon kernmantle ropes about 5mm thick, with a loop tied in one end and a Prusik loop made from ZingIT amsteel cord attached. The hammock hooks clip onto the Prusik loop. I just girth hitch the loop around the anchors, and the Prusik loop slides up and down the rope when not loaded, then cinches tight when you weight it. It’s the easiest set-up for a hammock that doesn’t have attached lines.

There’s no single best cord or system for every application. They all have different trade offs in regards to weight, bulk, strength, ease of use, availability, and cost. Cord from reputable manufactures such as Sterling, Blue Water, Yale, Samson and Teufelberger will outperform the imported budget line from your local hardware store 10:1 and be cheaper in the end.

Of course good line is of little use if you can’t tie a knot. Learning even three or four good knots well enough that you can tie them with your eyes closed will halve the time it takes to pitch a tarp or hammock or tie out out a tent.
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Re: Pilot's guide to portable shelters and tents

Haven't had a chance to read the entire article but so far it's great. Thanks for sharing your knowledge Hammer.

Question: Do you have any recommendations on DIY rain fly repair? My REI tent was damaged in a storm a couple weeks ago and the broken poles tore the fly. I've fixed the poles but still haven't found a way to fix the fly in a satisfactory manner.
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whee wrote:Haven't had a chance to read the entire article but so far it's great. Thanks for sharing your knowledge Hammer.

Question: Do you have any recommendations on DIY rain fly repair? My REI tent was damaged in a storm a couple weeks ago and the broken poles tore the fly. I've fixed the poles but still haven't found a way to fix the fly in a satisfactory manner.


Assuming you can pull the torn edges back together you can tape them in place with TearAid or Tenacious Tape or a self adhesive ripstop nylon. A quality outdoor or mountaineering store will have one or all of those products. Then use AquaSeal to glue the back side. Overlap the torn edges by a inch on each side with the AquaSeal.

If you can't find AquaSeal you can use Seam Grip...it's the same stuff, just a little less viscous. It's pretty amazing stuff...the best thing ever for patching thermarest pads, and I've even used it an a needle and thread to fix a 2" laceration in a mountain bike tire. It worked so well I rode the tire for another year and the tread gave out before the repair did.

If you make sure the fabric is clean (use denatured alcohol for a cleaner) before taping and gluing it'll work pretty well on tears up to about 6" long. Past that...not sure.

Good luck...and slap a few extra tie-outs on the tent next time a storm is coming your way!
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Thanks Hammer. I'll give that a try. I have aquaseal in my raft repair kit and have seen tenacious tape at a local store. One tear is about 14" long but I'll try the tape and if that doesn't work I'll try sewing it I guess.

A sudden thunderstorm did the damage, I didn't have any guy lines out. I usually don't because my kids always trip over them and the tent didn't come with stakes for the tie-outs anyways. I've learned my lesson, procured stakes and will be using the guy lines every time.
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Tenacious Tape from REI online:

https://www.rei.com/product/783045/gear-aid-tenacious-tape-repair-tape?cm_mmc=cse_PLA_GOOG-_-7830450065&CAWELAID=120217890000845499&CAGPSPN=pla&CAAGID=15877488160&CATCI=aud-87986356584:pla-127175265640&lsft=cm_mmc:cse_PLA_GOOG&gclid=CjwKEAjwk6K8BRDM3aCSkdCtzSQSJAA3Vf38SmC1OZR15nUPf38W8Au-TKrkxqRvp-CyKd2VNkOJ7hoCvgvw_wcB

Coghlans makes a tent repair kit with a couple of good size adhesive ripstop patches:

https://www.rei.com/product/684939/coghlans-nylon-tent-repair-kit

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whee wrote:Haven't had a chance to read the entire article but so far it's great. Thanks for sharing your knowledge Hammer.

Question: Do you have any recommendations on DIY rain fly repair? My REI tent was damaged in a storm a couple weeks ago and the broken poles tore the fly. I've fixed the poles but still haven't found a way to fix the fly in a satisfactory manner.


Assuming you can pull the torn edges back together you can tape them in place with TearAid or Tenacious Tape or a self adhesive ripstop nylon. A quality outdoor or mountaineering store will have one or all of those products. Then use AquaSeal to glue the back side. Overlap the torn edges by a inch on each side with the AquaSeal.

If you can't find AquaSeal you can use Seam Grip...it's the same stuff, just a little less viscous. It's pretty amazing stuff...the best thing ever for patching thermarest pads, and I've even used it an a needle and thread to fix a 2" laceration in a mountain bike tire. It worked so well I rode the tire for another year and the tread gave out before the repair did.

If you make sure the fabric is clean (use denatured alcohol for a cleaner) before taping and gluing it'll work pretty well on tears up to about 6" long. Past that...not sure.

Good luck...and slap a few extra tie-outs on the tent next time a storm is coming your way!
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Re: Pilot's guide to portable shelters and tents

Thanks soy. I was able to find those same things at a local store. I'm not happy with REI at the moment so I'm avoiding them till I feel like putting my big boy pants back on.
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whee wrote:Thanks soy. I was able to find those same things at a local store. I'm not happy with REI at the moment so I'm avoiding them till I feel like putting my big boy pants back on.


REI has its points, but to a disturbingly large extent it's now just Walmart for people who drive Subaru's. Disappointing...they used to be a bit higher shelf.
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Last year at OSH, I got caught in the Saturday morning mega-storm. Lessons learned:
1. Even if it's dark out, get the tent totally staked down.
2. Get the airplane totally tied down and chocked.
3. Don't set up the tent so close to the airplane.

Do all that before turning in. I had the airplane tied down, but not chocked, so that it twisted in the wind, so that the aileron/flap edge was just touching the rain fly in no wind. But there was wind, which for the 20 minutes of the storm's fury, pushed the fly against the aileron/flap edge, ripping a series of long rips, partly because Ol' Dummy here didn't fully stake down the fly Friday night, and in the morning when I realized the storm was coming, I didn't get it finished before the storm hit.

In addition to the rips, the poles were bent, which would have been less if I'd tied things down better. I was able to straighten them enough that the tent was usable for the rest of the week, and duct tape made a temporary repair to the fly, enough to keep out later rains during the week. I thought it was all repairable, but Big Agnes wasn't able to do so to the fly. However, kudos to Big Agnes, they sold me a new tent (including vestibule and footprint) for less than a third of retail--my out of pocket, including the shipping costs sending the old one to them, was right at $180, for a $500 tent--and without any tax, which at REI would have added another $37.

So BA is high on my list of great consumer friendly companies.

As for REI, my only complaints are that the local store often doesn't carry everything that their website lists, and just about the time I'm familiar with where everything is, they rearrange the store. But they're friendly, helpful, and accommodating, and if they don't have it in stock, they'll readily order it, so that it comes in within a couple of days. Over the years, I've easily spent at least a couple thousand there, if not more.

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