I'm looking for some information on POHs vs. AFMs. Since I know that there are some really knowlegable people on here, I thought I would ask. For a baseline on the discussion, here is what I found on AOPA:

Aircraft under 6,000 pounds gross weight, manufactured and flown by their first retail owners before March 1, 1979, don't require an approved airplane flight manual (AFM). Conversely, aircraft over 6,000 pounds, all transport-category aircraft, and all aircraft manufactured after March 1, 1979, do require an official AFM. Note: A handful of aircraft built before March 1, 1979, but not delivered and flown until after March 1, 1979, would also have to have an AFM.

and...

The owner's manual, along with the placards and markings on the aircraft, meets the certification requirements for aircraft manufactured and flown before March 1, 1979.

and...

A POH is not required for a light aircraft (one that weighs under 6,000 pounds) manufactured before March 1, 1979. The FAA says an explanation of the airplane's operating limitations must be present in the airplane in some fashion, either on placards, markings, or in a manual. This requirement usually is satisfied by posting placards in the cockpit and baggage compartment.

Those of us who fly airplanes at least two decades old use a POH or similar unofficial but highly practical guide. The cover of mine says it's an "Owner's Manual." It has a section on operating limitations, but a disclaimer explains that if anything in the section "contradicts the FAA-approved markings and placards, it is to be disregarded."

So here are my questions:

Can a copy of the original replace the AFM if it becomes lost?

For aircraft before March 1, 1979, must you have a POH on board? Or is it an either/or situation: Either a POH OR placards? And what constitutes an "FAA-approved marking or placard"? Does something from a label maker or printed on an address label type paper count?

Thanks in advance for the input.

Holy Guacamole, Batman!! Where in the heck did you find THAT on AOPA? We need to get that fixed. Here is the pertinent regulation:

§ 91.9 Civil aircraft flight manual, marking, and placard requirements.
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(a) Except as provided in paragraph (d) of this section, no person may operate a civil aircraft without complying with the operating limitations specified in the approved Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual, markings, and placards, or as otherwise prescribed by the certificating authority of the country of registry.

(b) No person may operate a U.S.-registered civil aircraft—

(1) For which an Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual is required by §21.5 of this chapter unless there is available in the aircraft a current, approved Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual or the manual provided for in §121.141(b); and

(2) For which an Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual is not required by §21.5 of this chapter, unless there is available in the aircraft a current approved Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual, approved manual material, markings, and placards, or any combination thereof.

(c) No person may operate a U.S.-registered civil aircraft unless that aircraft is identified in accordance with part 45 of this chapter.

(d) Any person taking off or landing a helicopter certificated under part 29 of this chapter at a heliport constructed over water may make such momentary flight as is necessary for takeoff or landing through the prohibited range of the limiting height-speed envelope established for the helicopter if that flight through the prohibited range takes place over water on which a safe ditching can be accomplished and if the helicopter is amphibious or is equipped with floats or other emergency flotation gear adequate to accomplish a safe emergency ditching on open water.


Here's the part 21 reference:

§ 21.5 Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual.
(a) With each airplane or rotorcraft that was not type certificated with an Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual and that has had no flight time prior to March 1, 1979, the holder of a Type Certificate (including a Supplemental Type Certificate) or the licensee of a Type Certificate shall make available to the owner at the time of delivery of the aircraft a current approved Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual.

(b) The Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual required by paragraph (a) of this section must contain the following information:

(1) The operating limitations and information required to be furnished in an Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual or in manual material, markings, and placards, by the applicable regulations under which the airplane or rotorcraft was type certificated.

(2) The maximum ambient atmospheric temperature for which engine cooling was demonstrated must be stated in the performance information section of the Flight Manual, if the applicable regulations under which the aircraft was type certificated do not require ambient temperature on engine cooling operating limitations in the Flight Manual.

So, READ Section 21.5 (a) above and tell me that you believe what you posted to be true.

The whole subject of Airplane Flight Manuals is really massively misunderstood, and I've had FSDO Inspectors tell me totally WRONG information, until I pointed out the specific regulation to them.

Here is an excerpt from the Type Certificate of the Cessna 170, for example:

Interior Equipment
402. (a) CAA Approved Airplane Flight Manual and pertinent revisions  applicable to the particular model, serial number, and landing gear installation
(b) CAA Approved Supplement No. 1 to Airplane Flight Manual (pertinent  to winterization equipment, Item 105, designed for 0552000 and 0552001 engine cowls)
(c) CAA Approved Supplement No. 2 to Airplane Flight Manual (pertinent  to Koppers propeller installation, Item 4)
(d) CAA Approved Airplane Flight Manuals (Skiplane) dated April 24, 1948

Here is an excerpt from the PA-18 Super Cub TCDS:

Interior Equipment
401. (a) CAA Approved Airplane Flight Manual approved April 1, 1949, revised
December 21, 1949, for landplanes and skiplanes equipped with Continental C-90-12
engine.
(b) CAA Approved Airplane Flight Manual approved August 15, 1949, revised
December 21, 1949, for landplanes and skiplanes equipped with Lycoming O-235-C1
engine.
(c) CAA Approved Airplane Flight Manual approved May 9, 1950, for seaplanes equipped
with Lycoming O-235-C1 engine.
(d) CAA Approved Supplement to Airplane Flight Manual for Crop Sprayers.
(e) CAA Approved Supplement to Airplane Flight Manual for Crop Dusters.
(f) CAA Approved Flight Manual approved October 20, 1950, for landplanes equipped with
Lycoming O-290-D engine.
(g) CAA Approved Airplane Flight Manual approved October 12, 1950, for seaplanes
equipped with Lycoming O-290-D engine and Edo Model 92-1400 floats.
(h) CAA Approved Airplane Flight Manual approved December 9, 1950, for seaplanes
equipped with Continental C90 engine.
(i) CAA Approved Airplane Flight Manual approved March 15, 1951, for seaplanes equipped
with Lycoming O-235-C engine.
(j) CAA Approved Supplement, dated March 15, 1951, to Airplane Flight Manual 401(a) for
landplanes and skiplanes equipped with Lycoming O-235-C engine.
(k) CAA Approved Airplane Flight Manual Skiplane Supplement dated August 20, 1951.
(l) DMCR Approved Airplane Flight Manual dated April 25, 1952, for landplanes or skiplane
equipped with Lycoming O-290-D2 engine.

The point is that almost ALL airplanes manufactured after the early 30's WERE provided with an AFM by the manufacturer, so the suggestion that you can just do your thing without one is more than a little misleading. My 1946 J-3 Cub had an AFM--One page long, both sides, but in big block letters on top, it stated clearly "This document must be carried in the aircraft at all times while in flight" Same for every old airplane I've ever flown. Now, I've never flown an Eaglerock, so...who knows.

In 1979, the GAMA standardized the format of Pilot Operating Handbooks, and specified (voluntarily so that the FAA wouldn't dictate to them) that the required AFM material would be provided in the POH of aircraft produced after that date. In those POHs, you'll find the AFM information and generally a notation that the POH has to be in the airplane for flight.

Older airplanes like my 170, the "Owners Manual" provides a little useful information on performance, but it is NOT required to be aboard for flight. The Cessna 170 AFM DOES have to be aboard for flight, and it's four pages long for my airplane. These are available from Cessna (actually Yingling Aero, who is the Cessna Parts distributor). Call em, give them your tail number and serial number and they'll send you a new one.

Does the AFM have to be an original?? I don't know. I think it would take a hard FAA type to try to cite you for having a xerox copy of your AFM aboard in place of the original.

What type airplane do you have? If it's an orphan, you may be able to get a copy of the AFM from a type club.

But, look in the required equipment portion of the TCDS for your airplane, and I'm betting you'll find something that looks like the two I posted above.

Please send me a PM with information where you found that information on AOPA. I visit with them pretty regularly and this kind of stuff needs to be corrected.

Thanks,

MTV

Here are the references from AOPA where I took the excerpts from. You'll need to be a member to view them.

http://www.aopa.org/members/files/topics/poh.html


http://www.aopa.org/members/ftmag/article.cfm?article=1279

I am on the board of a flying club and two of our aircraft are pre-1979 and two are post-1979. In one of the post-1979, someone walked off with our AFM and we can't seem to find who did it. We have a copy of the original.

In our other two aircraft, members are given a copy of the POH. Don't know anything about an AFM type of document for them and wouldn't know where they would even be...assuming that we were ever in possession of them in the first place. I had read 91.9 but didn't have access to 21.5. Where do you find the required equipment portion of the TCDS for an airplane?

Here is a follow up question. What affect would NOT having these onboard have on your insurance? (Not that we don't, but if someone walks off with it and it isn't caught by the PIC and an incident/accident occurs....)

You can find ANY FAA documents at this site: http://www.faa.gov/library/ Be advised that it's a HUGE site (all their publications, etc are on there, even textbooks), so can be a little tedious to search but hte search function seems to be fairly user friendly.

To find a Type Certificate Data Sheet, go here: http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guida ... enFrameSet Look for the make and model from the list. Once you get to the TCDS for your airplane, scroll down to the last portion of the TCDS and you'll find required equipment. Under "interior" you should find a notation of the AFM.

The consequences of flying an airplane without an AFM is that the airplane is NOT AIRWORTHY. Remember that regulation: The airplane must have Airworthiness Certificate, Registration, Operating Limitations, and Weight and Balance ON BOARD to be legal for flight. Just as the pilot must have a Pilot Certificate, a medical and a picture ID.

Frankly, many FAA Inspector types don't pay attention to this, and it can be confusing.

That said, to suggest that airplanes built before 1979 do NOT have an AFM is just plain wrong. As I said, a VERY early airplane, like a Standard biplane, or something else built in the twenties or thirties MAY have all its operating limitations given in the form of placards and markings, but anything built after about 1940 and maybe earlier, is GOING to have an AFM.

Again, I wouldn't worry if the AFM is a copy. The pertinent issue is that you have the information available to the pilot. But, I'd bet you that your club airplanes do have an AFM.

If you'd like, post the make and model airplanes and I'll send you the link.

Thanks for posting the site on AOPA. I'll give them a shout on this as well.

MTV

MTV,

Sorry for the late response. Between work and trying to get the honey-dos done before the baby comes, I've been swamped.

If you happen to be bored and get to it before I do, here are the models for the two aircraft in question:

1976 C172M
1972 C182P

Thanks again for the info.

Ok, had a minute and here is what I found.

DATA PERTINENT TO ALL MODELS 172 THROUGH 172Q (cont'd)

Equipment: The basic required equipment as prescribed in the applicable airworthiness requirements (see
Certification Basis) must be installed in the aircraft for certification. This equipment must include
a current Airplane Flight Manual effective S/N 17271035 and on.

Serial Numbers for C172M models:

Serial Numbers Eligible
17256493, 17260759 through 17261898 (1973 model) (except 17261445 and 17261578)
17261899 through 17263458 (1974 model)
17263459 through 17265684 (1975 model)
17265685 through 17267584 (1976 model)

The S/N for the C172M is BEFOREthat serial number...our serial number falls in the green shaded range.

Same thing for our 182P:

Data Pertinent to Model Items I through XII (cont’d)

Production Basis Production Certificate No. 4. Delegation Option Manufacturer No. CE-1 authorized to
issue airworthiness certificates under delegation option provisions of Part 21 of the
Federal Aviation Regulations.

Equipment: The basic required equipment as prescribed in the applicable airworthiness
requirements (see Certification Basis) must be installed in the aircraft for certification.
This equipment must include a current Airplane Flight Manual effective S/N 18266591
through 18268586 and R18200584 through R18202041.

Serial Nos. Eligible Model 182P:
18260826 through 18261425 (1972 Model)
18261426 through 18262465 (1973 Model)
18262466 through 18263475 (1974 Model)
675, 18263476 through 18264295 except 18263479 (1975 Model)
18264296 through 18265175 (1976 Model)


So what do you make of that???

Further along in that 172 TCDS it states a couple of times words to this effect : "(6) Model 172M (Landplane) 17256493, 17260759 through 17265684 except 17261445
and 17261578
"This airplane must be operated in compliance with the operating limitations as
stated in the form of placards, markings, and manuals." THere are several of these, and I didn't corrolate the serial numbers to verify for your airplane, but I'm betting there's one of those requirements for your airplane.

So, what "manual" are they referring to? I can only assume that model of Cessna 172 includes the AFM material contained in the Pilot Operating Handbook. Some manufacturers started doing that well before the 1979 standardization of POHs.

For example, I'm looking at a Pilot's Operating Handbook for a 1976 Cessna 206 (close to the vintage of your airplanes), and the cover page contains the statement: "This handbook includes the material required to be furnished to the pilot by CAR Part 3". That reference is specifically regarding the information required to be provided to the pilot by an approved Airplane Flight Manual. So, at least in that case, the POH for the airplane CONTAINS the AFM material, and must be carried aboard the airplane at all times while in flight.

I'm betting your POH for both those airplanes has a similar notation. If so, that implies that the POH must be available to the pilot at all times while in flight. Because IT contains the AFM.

And, that is true of virtually all airplanes built after 1979. But many older airplanes have a separate AFM. Separate from the POH or Owners manual, or whatever they called it then.

Beechcraft has incorporated their AFM into the Pilot's Operating Handbook since the early 50's I am told.

The deHavilland Beaver has a GREAT Pilot's Operating Handbook, with all sorts of good information, even from the EARLY 50's.

Point is, you need to find out what materials need to be aboard for flight.

And, that may be included in a POH or a separate document, depending on the vintage of the plane.

MTV

My 67 182's serial number was 57712. The only manual required was the owners manual.

Just to confuse things even further, the statement that an AFM is ALWAYS required in EVERY airplane is demonstrably incorrect for at least SOME pre-1979 aircraft. Some manufacturers called their manuals "Owner's Manuals", while others called theirs "Operator's Manuals", and still others called theirs "Pilot Operating Handbook". The term "Aircraft Flight Manual" may or may not have been used before 1979, but it's meaning changed in 1979 when the FAA began requiring a specific-to-the-airplane AFM that had to go through an official FAA "Approval" process. They then became "Approved Aircraft Flight Manuals". As one of the earlier posters stated, you should check the TCDS (Type Certificate Data Sheet) to see if an AFM is required. That advice is spot on.

Some examples:

Grumman Cheetah & Tiger: The TCDS for the Grumman American AA5 series of airplanes clearly delineates the specific set of serial numbered aircraft that are required to have an FAA Approved Aircraft Flight Manual on board at all times. It includes some isolated serial numbers that apparently had not flown prior to the March 1,1979 impact date, and then all serial numbers afterward. So about 10 total aircraft built before that date are impacted. All the ones aside from those specifically called out have NO requirement for an AFM, or even a POH to be aboard – only the placards and markings are required per the TCDS.

Rockwell Commander 112 & 114: This time, the TCDS does require the aircraft to have a "current Airplane Flight Manual" aboard the airplane, but states that it must comply with the applicable airworthiness regulations. In practice, the airplanes built and flown before March 1, 1979 have a "generic" Aircraft Flight Manual / POH, and the ones after that have an FAA-Approved Aircraft Flight Manual that is serial-number specific.

My personal plane: I fly a 1965 Champion 7ECA (pre-Bellanca purchase of the Champion line). The TCDS calls out a series of placards that are required to be in the airplane, but then specifically states that after March 1, 1979, 7ECAs (serial number 1295-79 and higher) contain an Approved Airplane Flight Manual that is part of the required equipment, and must remain in the airplane during aircraft operations. For aircraft prior to that date, there is no statement of any kind concerning an AFM, POH, OM, or any other manual. And in fact, Champion did not publish ANY pilot's manual for the 1965 7ECA – only a Maintenance and Parts manual.

In addition to the placards called out in the TCDS, there is a roughly 3x4 inch "Operations Limitations" placard that is not mentioned in the TCDS, but which states "This placard must remain in Model 7ECA (N-number)." It includes things like the Engine RPM limit, Airspeed limits, Aircraft weights (empty, gross, and useful load), CG and CG Limits (Normal and Acrobatic), Baggage limitations, and a couple of other items that one would normally find in a POH.

The only reference to this piece of paper labelled "Operations Limitations" is the piece of paper itself. There is no "reference" to FAR or anything else as the source for the requirement for it to remain in the aircraft.

So you really do need to check the TCDS if your airplane was manufactured and flown prior to March 1, 1979, to see if the TCDS mandates the AFM / POH / OM be on board or not. In my experience, most pre-1979 aircraft do NOT require it, but some clearly do!

I have an "airplane flight manual", individualized with tail number, for my 1953 C180.
At the top: "this document must be kept in airplane at all times".
Also "CAA approved December 1952".
So I assume it was issued right along with the airplane.
I have a couple copies of it, but the original looks pretty old.

Right below "airplane flight manual" it says "limitations" which is mostly what it is about.
So it is clearly the O (for operating limitations) in ARROW.
It also includes notes about required placards.

hotrod180 wrote:I have an "airplane flight manual", individualized with tail number, for my 1953 C180.
At the top: "this document must be kept in airplane at all times".
Also "CAA approved December 1952".
So I assume it was issued right along with the airplane.
I have a couple copies of it, but the original looks pretty old.

Right below "airplane flight manual" it says "limitations" which is mostly what it is about.
So it is clearly the O (for operating limitations) in ARROW.
It also includes notes about required placards.

The O actually is covered by both the AFM and required placards and markings.

MTV

JP256 wrote:Just to confuse things even further, the statement that an AFM is ALWAYS required in EVERY airplane is demonstrably incorrect for at least SOME pre-1979 aircraft. Some manufacturers called their manuals "Owner's Manuals", while others called theirs "Operator's Manuals", and still others called theirs "Pilot Operating Handbook". The term "Aircraft Flight Manual" may or may not have been used before 1979, but it's meaning changed in 1979 when the FAA began requiring a specific-to-the-airplane AFM that had to go through an official FAA "Approval" process. They then became "Approved Aircraft Flight Manuals".

So you really do need to check the TCDS if your airplane was manufactured and flown prior to March 1, 1979, to see if the TCDS mandates the AFM / POH / OM be on board or not. In my experience, most pre-1979 aircraft do NOT require it, but some clearly do!

I agree, to a point. But, 1979 was simply the date when the "standardization" went into effect. And this topic clearly illustrates why standardization was needed.

A lot of olderairplanes have a requirement for an AFM to be on board, for example, the Cessna 120/140:

403. CAA Approved Airplane Flight Manual (optional nomenclature:
"Approved Operating Limitations") and pertinent revisions applicable to the particular model and serial number. Tentatively approved Airplane Flight Manuals in use up to and including the 1947 version aircraft are acceptable without replacement.

Nearly all Piper PA 18s require one, though I suspect half or more owners don't know that or argue that's wrong.....read the TC.

Earlier airplanes MAY meet the certification requirement by virtue of the placards and markings required to be present. These were simpler times and simpler aircraft.

One of the things that's confused this mess is the manufacturers use of different nomnclature....."Owners Manual", Pilot Operating Handbook", Operating Manual", etc.....none of which are required to be carried in the airplane UNLESS they CONTAIN the AFM data. Since 1979, most all aircraft I'm aware of have the AFM data contained within the POH, so in those aircraft, the POH is required to be aboard for flight.

That said, also check the TCDS for required placards.....I can't tell you how many planes I've met that were missing required placards or markings. Those too are part of the information required to be provided to the pilot.

MTV

While my airplane was in the shop for its new engine shortly after I bought it, my IA told me that several of the required placards weren't in it. So that was one of the things he did, was to make sure all of the right ones were in it and placed where they could be seen.

Another aspect of "standardizing" the POHs is that they are now airplane specific, not generic for the model. On older ones, they were just generic, so for instance, if you had a 1973 172, as long as you had a 1973 "Cessna 172 Owners Manual" aboard, you were good to go--it contained an AFM and applied to every other 1973 172. That changed after 1979, so that if you have a 1983 172, its "Cessna Pilots Operating Handbook", which contains the AFM, is specific to that airplane by serial number. Another 1983 172's POH isn't good enough. I guess that makes the current POHs more valuable, much like logbooks.

Incidentally, I had to buy an "Owners Manual" for my airplane--it had disappeared somewhere along the line before I bought it, although the logbooks were complete, and I had the W&B information. I got it from Essco. Later, I decided to have my IA do an actual W&B, and as often happens with older airplanes that have been through umpty ump modifications, the calculated changes were off by quite a bit.

Cary

Just to confuse this a bit further. If you import an aircraft. You need the POH. They have required me to have a serialized version for aircraft prior to 1979, but they where over 6,000. You have to buy them, at great expense, from the manufacturer. On the 206 I am importing, the 1979, the POH went walkabout. My discount price is $596.00, ouch. However, it rocked up about two weeks ago, when the Indian chaps where looking through some records for a Caravan I am buying there, -save-. Usually, the Type Certificate has a listing of all placards required. This is mirrored in the POH, typically in the limitations section.

As for original. On serialized versions, Cessna for example, at least on re-issue, stamps and signs them in blue ink. The rest of the manual can be a copy. Some, not all, DAR's are quite anal about this. It also must have the latest revisions to be legal. Some have never been revised, some are mostly revisions. Revision status is usually located in Service Bulletins. Some of the new online service publication packages offered by the manufacturers, they have the revisions there. Naturally, if you have mods, factory or STC, their supplement must be present. Now if you have a later integrated flight deck avionics package, you need the manuals for those, like the G1000 (latest installed software version) to be present in the cockpit. So if you have changed out your radios to the latest wiz bang GPS com, cigarette lighter and Facebook access point, then you best have that manual as well.

It is starting to look as if the aircraft cannot lift off with all these books in the aircraft, and where would you put them all, some kind of Ikea shelf might work. You can have PDF versions as well now, on your phone, pad, or; I even have them in my Garmin 796, along with my logbooks.

Just wanted to confirm that a straight tail 182 wouldn't require a POH/AFM. Sorry to necropost.

Here is the link to the TCDS: https://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgMakeModel.nsf/0/fae5dd92c6210c7286257ebd006029c5/$FILE/3A13_Rev_72.pdf

The requirement for an AFM doesn't appear to start until several thousand serial numbers higher than ours.

I made sure all the TCDS specified placards were intact, but that appears to be the only requirement. Odd that a 50's 180 (mentioned in this thread) would require an AFM but not a 182.

Of course we keep a copy of a generic B-model POH in the airplane along with copies of the STC flight manual supplements. Weird to require supplements to a document that doesn't exist.

niente qui

Narwhal747 wrote:Just wanted to confirm that a straight tail 182 wouldn't require a POH/AFM. Sorry to necropost.

Here is the link to the TCDS: https://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgMakeModel.nsf/0/fae5dd92c6210c7286257ebd006029c5/$FILE/3A13_Rev_72.pdf

The requirement for an AFM doesn't appear to start until several thousand serial numbers higher than ours.

I made sure all the TCDS specified placards were intact, but that appears to be the only requirement. Odd that a 50's 180 (mentioned in this thread) would require an AFM but not a 182.

Of course we keep a copy of a generic B-model POH in the airplane along with copies of the STC flight manual supplements. Weird to require supplements to a document that doesn't exist.

Here’s a section from the TC you cited:

“ The equipment portion of Aircraft Specification 3A13, Revision 15, or Cessna Publication TS3000-13 should be used for equipment references on all aircraft prior to the Model 182G. Refer to the applicable Equipment List for the Model 182G and subsequent models.”.

So, that provides a reference for the equipment that’s required on the early model 182, like yours.

As has been noted here a couple times, if you own/fly an airplane that was built before 1979, you need to look at the applicable TC (all of it) to find out what equipment is required to be aboard for flight.

So, in this case, an approved flight manual is specifically NOT required to be aboard during flight. BUT, to actually find out what equipment MUST be aboard, you’ll have to reference “Aircraft Specification 3A13, Revision 15, or Cessna pub TS3000-13”.

My 1958 Cessna 175 is similarly exempt by serial number from requiring an AFM be aboard, though earlier and later serial numbers require one.

My 1952 Cessna 170B DID specifically require a four page AFM.

So, don’t look for logic in this mess......look at the TC for your airplane.

UNLESS, as noted before, your airplane was built after 1979, in which case, it will have an AFM incorporated into its POH. That rule was adopted by GAMA, not the FAA, but has become regulatory.

MTV

dogpilot wrote:...BTW, both my old Birddogs had an AFM that was one page, two sided typewritten.

Although not required by s/n per the TCDS,
my 53 C180 had an AFM issued with it.
Mine's only one page.
Sorta raggedy, but really not too bad considering it's 67 years old.

Thank you. Presently searching for TS3000-13! If anyone finds a copy, let me know!

Narwhal747 wrote:Thank you. Presently searching for TS3000-13! If anyone finds a copy, let me know!

You could probably order one from Textron, BUT, if you read that requirement carefully, it says equipment required in that document OR the TC. You've got the TC, so it'll tell you all the equipment required for your airplane. Just make sure you go through all the "Applies to all models" stuff toward the end, and see what applies to your serial number.

Sorry if I made this seem harder than it really is.

MTV