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Good pilot in a light right plane. Looks like VG's on the cuff but hard to tell...probably and why not? It's a common mod. Plus the wing incidence is adjustable so maybe he's done that. I flew a C-185 that had it adjusted for lift as carrying weight into small spots and slow flight was what I got paid for. It lowered the cruise but that mod and a Sportsman cuff were worth watching the grass grow getting to the landing zone.

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EZFlap wrote:
jprax wrote:So single gunman or two on the Kennedy assassination??

I'm guessing more than two. You ever see one bullet do a full Aresti aerobatic routine and hit two people from different directions? You ever see an autopsy and a body just disappear when nobody had anything to hide? :shock:

jprax wrote: To modify the engine of a 55 or so 172? Really? Pull the starter? really???

I guess you've never heard some of the guys here or on the Super Cub forum talking about removing weight. Just from what I've read and heard over a few short years, they all scream that real bush pilots are removing every ounce possible all the time. Maybe one of the more highly experienced bush pilot types here in BCP can correct me... has something changed recently where bush pilots and STOL operators are not serious about taking weight out of the airplane any more? I could swear that I've seen a whole lot of discussions on these forums about how the serious pilots are all serious about weight.

If one guy is so serious about weight removal for a STOL contest, that he left three pounds of fabric off of the fuselage of his Cub... in f***ing ice cold Alaska no less, then yes I would have to say that temporarily removing 75 pounds of starter, battery, generator, etc. is not a ridiculous thing for them to consider.

jprax wrote: Ben is a superb guy, .

That makes his performance all the more impressive. A superb pilot and a superb guy. Score one for the old school :)

jprax wrote:There is a wind sock right behind the photographers,

Precisely. What good does it do there, for the thousands of people who watch the videos?

jprax wrote: We could put one up for this camera angle but generally you don't put them in the apron. At least not at this airport.

If you are having the most bad-ass, most recognized, most hotly contested STOL competition in the whole world, where momentary and/or steady headwinds are a huge factor in the achieved performance of the competitors.... don't you think that it would be useful (for all of the people around the world who see this on the internet) if there was a windsock, or a flag, visible in the camera's field of view? Nobody was smart enough to think about that?

I'm not telling you to re-design the apron, ramp, or runway at Valdez. I'm not remotely telling you how to run your contest, or what types of airplane modifications are legal or approved. I'm not even telling you that Oswald and Jack Ruby had lunch on the Grassy Knoll with Castro and Kruschev on November 21.

I'm telling you that the simple (even temporary) placement of a windsock in the view of the !($*% camera is something that just makes sense and would be important to tens of thousands of people who see these videos. The windsock (even a handkerchief on the end of a fishing pole) can be 100 feet on the other side of the runway, behind the touchdown target, so it doesn't block anyone's view or affect the aircraft.

With sincere respect and no insult intended...please correct me if I'm wrong... is there any reason that something so obvious to an average video spectator hasn't been thought of and put into place?


What an asinine diatribe. Joe is the guy who put that program together, and it's incredibly well run and successful.

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Wow! How unfortunate. I just wanted some insight on this guys technique since he has a plane like mine and I can relate to the performance of it under normal conditions. Unfortunate that this thread turned into such a sh!t show. Very typical that one or two guys that don't have an answer for questions asked decide to throw out a bunch of irrelevant BS and speculation. Thanks guys! Congrats to Mr. Ben Brown and all the guys that even make the trip to Valdez! This thread should be declared dead
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This kind of banter just kills me.
So many people look for the magic bullet.
I learned along time ago it's the Indian not the Pony
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mtv wrote:
What an asinine diatribe. Joe is the guy who put that program together, and it's incredibly well run and successful.

MTV


OMFG... Mike if I had posted a video of me landing an airplane in a short distance, and someone had said "good job EZ Flap", who'd be the very first one to mention that I had not included a windsock in the video, and that a headwind could easily make a mediocre STOL landing look like a great STOL landing, and call the entire thing into question?

So I'll dumb this down a little bit, and pose the question in a way that can be more easily understood. Maybe someone will address the question legitimately this time instead of trying to piss on the messenger. Here's the question:

Do you guys think that it would be a good idea to show the wind speed in the videos of a STOL contest, since wind speed has a large effect on the STOL performance of the airplanes?

And when did I say that Joe was not running his event well or successfully? When did I say that the airplanes and pilots weren't superb?

OMFG this is so not the MENSA side of aviation.
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All I know is Frank Knapp is THE MAN =D> Besides the great performance of his custom bird, he flies it so well.......I laugh out loud every time I see his performance, odd that laughter results but it's so damned outrageous I can't help it. I'd like to know how much and how he uses the plane for other then kicking ass at Valdez? In other words is it his daily flier or is it such a thoroughbred it's relatively useless for other things? I'd assume he has minimal fuel capacity, no baggage area etc., all helping STOL but hurting the practicality of it.
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EZFlap wrote:So I'll dumb this down a little bit, and pose the question in a way that can be more easily understood.

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OMFG this is so not the MENSA side of aviation.


EZ, you're an asshat. Stop trying to make yourself feel smarter than everyone around you. I get the same vibe from you when you go into the "excruciating engineering" that's gone into your still unfinished tailwheel STC. There's a lot of people in this world that have brains - the smartest ones don't have to remind everyone else how smart they are.

Back to your question, the Valdez STOL competition wasn't developed for recording and sending to the internet. It's a competition run in Alaska for Alaskans and visitors, and the primary viewers are in the grandstands where they can feel the wind or turn around and see the windsock if they please.

Just because its being broadcast on the internet now, don't think that the interwebs are the primary audience. Expecting infrastructure changes for a very secondary, unintended audience is ridiculous.
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