My wife and I are considering purchasing a video recorder, so that we can record some of our flight experiences. Everyone has heard of a GoPro (excellent advertising campaign) and I have heard brief statements about the Garmin Virb, but I am wondering what the BCP guys have to say.
Some of the videos I have watched have obviously been done with multiple cameras and it shows a great deal more detail and a lot less boring video when it is done this way and edited together smoothly. Realizing that I will never be famous for my "awesome" video files I wonder if perhaps it might be smarter to purchase a couple of used GoPro 3's off feebay and save a few $$ buying used.
What does the learned videophiles out there have to say? Is the Hero 3 "good enough" or should one buy the latest and greatest. Should I be looking at alternate brands for better features or costs?
all help and comments is/are appreciated.
Recomendations for a first video camera
Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:39 am
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Fri Jul 24, 2015 10:21 am
Re: Recomendations for a first video camera
GoPro vs Drift???
I think they are both good choices but as for me personally I like the Drift.
For no other reason other than its streamlined bullet shape, I don't like the "square" style of the GoPro.
Performance wise I feel the difference is negligible.
I own a Drift HD and am very happy with it whether mounted on my helmet, wing or weapon.
I have over 50 back country videos with it mounted outside my plane and it has never let me down.
I understand the Drift Ghost S has the option to turn off the sound. Important for me when bow hunting.
That will be my next camera purchase.
Happy shopping, Good luck,
Sam
I think they are both good choices but as for me personally I like the Drift.
For no other reason other than its streamlined bullet shape, I don't like the "square" style of the GoPro.
Performance wise I feel the difference is negligible.
I own a Drift HD and am very happy with it whether mounted on my helmet, wing or weapon.
I have over 50 back country videos with it mounted outside my plane and it has never let me down.
I understand the Drift Ghost S has the option to turn off the sound. Important for me when bow hunting.
That will be my next camera purchase.
Happy shopping, Good luck,
Sam
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Fri Jul 24, 2015 11:29 am
Re: Recomendations for a first video camera
I bought a Virb, but don't have a lot of time behind it yet. I found an "Aviator Bundle" with some neat extras for a good deal on Amazon, which is why I decided on the Virb.
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Fri Jul 24, 2015 11:41 am
Re: Recomendations for a first video camera
Gopros are excellent cameras.
We shot most of this with a Hero 3 Silver:
Couldn't be happier with it's performance.
We shot most of this with a Hero 3 Silver:
Couldn't be happier with it's performance.
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Fri Jul 24, 2015 1:36 pm
Re: Recomendations for a first video camera
Those are some great shots, Scolo!
I'm far from an expert, but I have an old orange Drift, a Hero 3 silver, a Hero 3 black, and a VIRB, and I've managed to make every conceivable mistake with each of them. They all have benefits and drawbacks, and I'd love to combine them all into the perfect camera. If I could only have one camera, though, my hands-down choice would be the Drift. If I were going to add another camera to my collection, it would be one of the newer Drifts.
Go Pros shoot amazing videos when everything is mounted correctly and everything works. However, they are a pain in the butt to mount on a plane, they are susceptible to minute vibrations, they can be very glitchy (at least mine are), the user interface leaves a lot to be desired, and they don't capture color very well in overcast or low light situations. However, every time I'm at my wit's end with the Go Pros and I swear I'll never mess with them again, I come back with some crystal clear video that looks better than anything I could shoot on either of my other cameras. I think the older Hero 3s are plenty good if you're just starting out. The higher res offered by the newer ones is nice, but the field of view is more limited at the higher res setting, so I rarely use it. I also like the bluetooth connectivity if I want a remote and want to see the display on my iPad, but it seems to suck the battery just as bad as just leaving the camera running the whole time.
I'm still getting used to my VIRB, but so far I would say the results are only so-so. I know guys who have them and really like them, so maybe I just haven't spent enough time with it yet. The time-lapse feature is awesome. The instant-on switch is awesome. Other than that, the video quality is ok (the fisheye is more apparent and the "lens correct" function limits your field of view settings), the user interface is a bit clunky, the on-screen display isn't all that great, and the battery life is the shortest of all my cameras (although you can plug in and video at the same time, if you have a power source). I love it for the time-lapse, but in my opinion the money is better spent on a Drift.
The Drift has a good user interface, a useful on-screen display, an easy field of view change button, really long (3 hr) battery life with the bigger battery, and it picks up amazing color in low light situations with the +1 exposure setting. However, my favorite feature is the rotating lens aperture, which allows me to mount it every which way on my plane and simply twist the lens to make it upright. I know you can rotate crooked video using production software, but that shrinks your usable picture size and loads the video up with unnecessary bulk. Being able to shoot everything straight up and down, no matter how the camera is mounted, is worth a lot. On the downside, I end up shooting in lower quality on the drift (720), because it allows me to zoom in and out. The 1080 feature is a fixed FOV, I don't know if this has changed on the newer Drift or not, but I'd like to check one out. The new versions also have bluetooth, which is a plus both for the remote and the ability to see the display on your iPad, although it might suck a lot of battery like it does on the Go Pro (although the Drift battery life is longer, even than the GoPro with the backpack battery).
I shoot at least 4 hours of video for every 10 minutes of really decent stuff. The rest consists of errors, vibrations, running out of battery, having the camera mounted wrong, forgetting to turn on, etc. I've had some really cool flights with multiple cameras mounted, only to come back with no usable footage. Time after time, however, the camera that has delivered the best footage for me most consistently is my Drift.
My two cents. YMMV.
I'm far from an expert, but I have an old orange Drift, a Hero 3 silver, a Hero 3 black, and a VIRB, and I've managed to make every conceivable mistake with each of them. They all have benefits and drawbacks, and I'd love to combine them all into the perfect camera. If I could only have one camera, though, my hands-down choice would be the Drift. If I were going to add another camera to my collection, it would be one of the newer Drifts.
Go Pros shoot amazing videos when everything is mounted correctly and everything works. However, they are a pain in the butt to mount on a plane, they are susceptible to minute vibrations, they can be very glitchy (at least mine are), the user interface leaves a lot to be desired, and they don't capture color very well in overcast or low light situations. However, every time I'm at my wit's end with the Go Pros and I swear I'll never mess with them again, I come back with some crystal clear video that looks better than anything I could shoot on either of my other cameras. I think the older Hero 3s are plenty good if you're just starting out. The higher res offered by the newer ones is nice, but the field of view is more limited at the higher res setting, so I rarely use it. I also like the bluetooth connectivity if I want a remote and want to see the display on my iPad, but it seems to suck the battery just as bad as just leaving the camera running the whole time.
I'm still getting used to my VIRB, but so far I would say the results are only so-so. I know guys who have them and really like them, so maybe I just haven't spent enough time with it yet. The time-lapse feature is awesome. The instant-on switch is awesome. Other than that, the video quality is ok (the fisheye is more apparent and the "lens correct" function limits your field of view settings), the user interface is a bit clunky, the on-screen display isn't all that great, and the battery life is the shortest of all my cameras (although you can plug in and video at the same time, if you have a power source). I love it for the time-lapse, but in my opinion the money is better spent on a Drift.
The Drift has a good user interface, a useful on-screen display, an easy field of view change button, really long (3 hr) battery life with the bigger battery, and it picks up amazing color in low light situations with the +1 exposure setting. However, my favorite feature is the rotating lens aperture, which allows me to mount it every which way on my plane and simply twist the lens to make it upright. I know you can rotate crooked video using production software, but that shrinks your usable picture size and loads the video up with unnecessary bulk. Being able to shoot everything straight up and down, no matter how the camera is mounted, is worth a lot. On the downside, I end up shooting in lower quality on the drift (720), because it allows me to zoom in and out. The 1080 feature is a fixed FOV, I don't know if this has changed on the newer Drift or not, but I'd like to check one out. The new versions also have bluetooth, which is a plus both for the remote and the ability to see the display on your iPad, although it might suck a lot of battery like it does on the Go Pro (although the Drift battery life is longer, even than the GoPro with the backpack battery).
I shoot at least 4 hours of video for every 10 minutes of really decent stuff. The rest consists of errors, vibrations, running out of battery, having the camera mounted wrong, forgetting to turn on, etc. I've had some really cool flights with multiple cameras mounted, only to come back with no usable footage. Time after time, however, the camera that has delivered the best footage for me most consistently is my Drift.
My two cents. YMMV.
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Fri Jul 24, 2015 2:26 pm
Re: Recomendations for a first video camera
RanchPilot wrote:Go Pros shoot amazing videos when everything is mounted correctly and everything works. However, they are a pain in the butt to mount on a plane, they are susceptible to minute vibrations, they can be very glitchy (at least mine are), the user interface leaves a lot to be desired, and they don't capture color very well in overcast or low light situations.
I have found these things to be true. The connection with the remote and with an iphone has failed on us a few times. Not experienced enough yet to offer any really valuable input, just that I've had a lot of fun with footage from this camera.
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Fri Jul 24, 2015 3:46 pm
Re: Recomendations for a first video camera
+1 on Ranch Pilot.
I got a GoPro and so far am not getting any better video than I got on my Drift HD.
The GoPro remote is a WiFi system which SUCKS the battery dry even when the camera is not taking video and sucks it dry at least as fast as video. Lots of glitz, but at the camera is obviously designed for use by a hands on operator rather than hanging out on a wing.
The Drift uses an IR remote which does not drain the battery.
I get jello images when mounted anywhere but on my "V" brace. I bought one of the engineered mounts for my wing strut and between the battery life and jello images have not mounted the camera there all that often.
Cool camera for diving, however.
TD
I got a GoPro and so far am not getting any better video than I got on my Drift HD.
The GoPro remote is a WiFi system which SUCKS the battery dry even when the camera is not taking video and sucks it dry at least as fast as video. Lots of glitz, but at the camera is obviously designed for use by a hands on operator rather than hanging out on a wing.
The Drift uses an IR remote which does not drain the battery.
I get jello images when mounted anywhere but on my "V" brace. I bought one of the engineered mounts for my wing strut and between the battery life and jello images have not mounted the camera there all that often.
Cool camera for diving, however.
TD
Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:36 pm
Re: Recomendations for a first video camera
I have no experience with the cheaper gopros, but the hero 4 black is an amazing piece of equipment. I've had no issues with glitches or anything on it. Though it does allow you to film 4K at 30fps, that wasn't really a selling point on my end. The big one is I can shoot all my flying in 1080p at 60fps. If I want to slow down a shot to slomo I can also shoot at 120fps in 1080. For the super slomo I can drop to 720p and shoot at 240fps. Outside of the slow motion, shooting in 60 fps does a lot to get rid of the jello effect that many cameras experience at a lesser frame rate. I have a few mount locations that I leave attached to the plane and just move the camera around. For post processing I use Adobe premier pro CC and put it through the warp stabilizer if it's required. Most of the time it isn't, but this can take out some of the jumpiness and fine vibrations.
The video in this one was all shot with one Hero4 black.
If you are wanting to put speed tapes and stuff on the sides like a virb, you can do it with an ipad and a free app or I sometimes just use my garmin watch to record the track, then match it up in post processing. Here is an example. the video sucks as I forgot to bring a mount, but shows what I'm talking about with matching up video and the metadata. You will see my buddy in the front seat with the garmin watch on, which is recording the metadata.
All in all for me I'm extremely satisfied with the gopro against the virb. more options for actual video as opposed to the gee whiz options the virb has. also, if you already have a DSLRthat will shoot HD vid don't exclude that as you can make a mount to put it inside the aircraft and get some great vid.
The video in this one was all shot with one Hero4 black.
If you are wanting to put speed tapes and stuff on the sides like a virb, you can do it with an ipad and a free app or I sometimes just use my garmin watch to record the track, then match it up in post processing. Here is an example. the video sucks as I forgot to bring a mount, but shows what I'm talking about with matching up video and the metadata. You will see my buddy in the front seat with the garmin watch on, which is recording the metadata.
All in all for me I'm extremely satisfied with the gopro against the virb. more options for actual video as opposed to the gee whiz options the virb has. also, if you already have a DSLRthat will shoot HD vid don't exclude that as you can make a mount to put it inside the aircraft and get some great vid.
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Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:57 pm
Re: Recomendations for a first video camera
Timberwolf wrote:I have no experience with the cheaper gopros, but the hero 4 black is an amazing piece of equipment. I've had no issues with glitches or anything on it. Though it does allow you to film 4K at 30fps, that wasn't really a selling point on my end. The big one is I can shoot all my flying in 1080p at 60fps. If I want to slow down a shot to slomo I can also shoot at 120fps in 1080. For the super slomo I can drop to 720p and shoot at 240fps. Outside of the slow motion, shooting in 60 fps does a lot to get rid of the jello effect that many cameras experience at a lesser frame rate. I have a few mount locations that I leave attached to the plane and just move the camera around. For post processing I use Adobe premier pro CC and put it through the warp stabilizer if it's required. Most of the time it isn't, but this can take out some of the jumpiness and fine vibrations.
The video in this one was all shot with one Hero4 black.
If you are wanting to put speed tapes and stuff on the sides like a virb, you can do it with an ipad and a free app or I sometimes just use my garmin watch to record the track, then match it up in post processing. Here is an example. the video sucks as I forgot to bring a mount, but shows what I'm talking about with matching up video and the metadata. You will see my buddy in the front seat with the garmin watch on, which is recording the metadata.
All in all for me I'm extremely satisfied with the gopro against the virb. more options for actual video as opposed to the gee whiz options the virb has. also, if you already have a DSLRthat will shoot HD vid don't exclude that as you can make a mount to put it inside the aircraft and get some great vid.
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Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:49 pm
Re: Recomendations for a first video camera
I am reminded once more why I spend so much time reading on this forum. I can count on good participation and level headed responses here way more than I have experienced all over the "net".
Thank you to all who responded with your views and experience. Now it is time to jump in and purchase one of these and begin the learning curve. I think I will try a Drift stealth first off. Before asking on here I wasn't even aware of the Drift product line. I really like the small size of the stealth model along with the rotating lense and a lot of other features.
Off to a new adventure!
Thanks again,
Mike
Thank you to all who responded with your views and experience. Now it is time to jump in and purchase one of these and begin the learning curve. I think I will try a Drift stealth first off. Before asking on here I wasn't even aware of the Drift product line. I really like the small size of the stealth model along with the rotating lense and a lot of other features.
Off to a new adventure!
Thanks again,
Mike
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Sun Jul 26, 2015 6:03 am
Re: Recomendations for a first video camera
I just sold my Go Pro 3+ black edition.
If you're really into tech stuff and love fiddling with these things, they may be fine.
But the Drift has a remote that actually works....every time. It doesn't time out and turn the camera off while you're taxing, etc.
The Drift is MUCH easier to mount, the rotatable lens means you can mount it anywhere, THEN level it, it has a built in screen, so you can see your image when you mount it without screwing around with your phone.
Etc. I'm no expert, but in my opinion ion, the Go Pros are mostly great hype. They take great video, but they were designed for skiers, surfers, etc.
Me, I'll keep my Drift. Great camera, and you can take it out of the box, mount it with standard camera mounts, and the user interface is MUCH better than Go Pro.
Oh, yeah, it also takes great video.
MTV
If you're really into tech stuff and love fiddling with these things, they may be fine.
But the Drift has a remote that actually works....every time. It doesn't time out and turn the camera off while you're taxing, etc.
The Drift is MUCH easier to mount, the rotatable lens means you can mount it anywhere, THEN level it, it has a built in screen, so you can see your image when you mount it without screwing around with your phone.
Etc. I'm no expert, but in my opinion ion, the Go Pros are mostly great hype. They take great video, but they were designed for skiers, surfers, etc.
Me, I'll keep my Drift. Great camera, and you can take it out of the box, mount it with standard camera mounts, and the user interface is MUCH better than Go Pro.
Oh, yeah, it also takes great video.
MTV
Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:58 am
Re: Recomendations for a first video camera
mtv wrote:I just sold my Go Pro 3+ black edition.
If you're really into tech stuff and love fiddling with these things, they may be fine.
But the Drift has a remote that actually works....every time. It doesn't time out and turn the camera off while you're taxing, etc.
The Drift is MUCH easier to mount, the rotatable lens means you can mount it anywhere, THEN level it, it has a built in screen, so you can see your image when you mount it without screwing around with your phone.
Etc. I'm no expert, but in my opinion ion, the Go Pros are mostly great hype. They take great video, but they were designed for skiers, surfers, etc.
Me, I'll keep my Drift. Great camera, and you can take it out of the box, mount it with standard camera mounts, and the user interface is MUCH better than Go Pro.
Oh, yeah, it also takes great video.
MTV
I agree with most of this except the gopros being mostly hype. A person can get an ok video from a drift and using some crappy cut and paste video editor to make an ok video. Or you can put the time and effort into it and get outstanding video using a GP 4 black with pro tune and edit it with Adobe premier pro and get an outstanding video. Different strokes for different folks, but it isn't "hype" if you have the skills to utilize it. Gopro doesn't hide this either...they say the 4 black is geared towards serious videographers looking to make the most of their vids
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Sun Jul 26, 2015 12:23 pm
Recomendations for a first video camera
x2 Timberwolf. I think the Garmin Virb XE Elite has some great forward thinking features but no one has yet eclipsed GoPro in terms of image quality.
The Drift may work better though if remote functionality and set-it-and-forget-it type video are what you're after.
Personally I have never been that enamored with the forward-looking video; no offense to those who post that stuff, I just get bored after a minute or two. I like to focus on the pilot doing stuff; it's just more interesting to me as a pilot/viewer. For that reason, I'd focus on cockpit mounting options and filters to blur the prop.
I wrote this guide a few years ago to that effect:
https://www.backcountrypilot.org/photo- ... hoot-video
It's a little long in the tooth at this point but some fundamentals are still valid.
These little action cameras aren't the end-all though. They have their scope and are designed more for compactness and durability. Their ultra wide angle lens is suited for a very close-up perspective.
Don't let 4K be a deciding factor unless you have a powerhouse desktop computer to edit it. 1080p is adequate.
PS: if anyone has a Hero 3+ Black they'd like to sell, I'd like to buy one. Or, give me a significant discount for a site supporter badge.
The Drift may work better though if remote functionality and set-it-and-forget-it type video are what you're after.
Personally I have never been that enamored with the forward-looking video; no offense to those who post that stuff, I just get bored after a minute or two. I like to focus on the pilot doing stuff; it's just more interesting to me as a pilot/viewer. For that reason, I'd focus on cockpit mounting options and filters to blur the prop.
I wrote this guide a few years ago to that effect:
https://www.backcountrypilot.org/photo- ... hoot-video
It's a little long in the tooth at this point but some fundamentals are still valid.
These little action cameras aren't the end-all though. They have their scope and are designed more for compactness and durability. Their ultra wide angle lens is suited for a very close-up perspective.
Don't let 4K be a deciding factor unless you have a powerhouse desktop computer to edit it. 1080p is adequate.
PS: if anyone has a Hero 3+ Black they'd like to sell, I'd like to buy one. Or, give me a significant discount for a site supporter badge.
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Sun Jul 26, 2015 12:55 pm
Re: Recomendations for a first video camera
Been using GoPros for years, they have failed many times, I sent them back and they send me a new one, (which is good, and no complains there) but sometimes the failure had happens when is mounted under the wing in an incredible flight I wanted and planned to film, even happened while flying in another country .
I bought a new camera and it is incredible, its not an action camera, great for shooting from outside or inside the cockpit , but you will need someone to film for you, the quality at 4K, the stabilized lens makes the video looks like it was shot by a Pro, no shake even with zoom.
Im really enjoying it, its more expensive than GoPro but quality is better than anything I have used before.
Very easy to use , great zoom and great lens stability.
http://store.sony.com/4k-camcorder-with ... Camcorders
Look at this videos un edited.(better if you have 4K TV)
So ideally an action camera , plus one of these.
I bought a new camera and it is incredible, its not an action camera, great for shooting from outside or inside the cockpit , but you will need someone to film for you, the quality at 4K, the stabilized lens makes the video looks like it was shot by a Pro, no shake even with zoom.
Im really enjoying it, its more expensive than GoPro but quality is better than anything I have used before.
Very easy to use , great zoom and great lens stability.
http://store.sony.com/4k-camcorder-with ... Camcorders
Look at this videos un edited.(better if you have 4K TV)
So ideally an action camera , plus one of these.
Sun Jul 26, 2015 1:42 pm
Re: Recomendations for a first video camera
Timberwolf wrote:mtv wrote:I just sold my Go Pro 3+ black edition.
If you're really into tech stuff and love fiddling with these things, they may be fine.
But the Drift has a remote that actually works....every time. It doesn't time out and turn the camera off while you're taxing, etc.
The Drift is MUCH easier to mount, the rotatable lens means you can mount it anywhere, THEN level it, it has a built in screen, so you can see your image when you mount it without screwing around with your phone.
Etc. I'm no expert, but in my opinion ion, the Go Pros are mostly great hype. They take great video, but they were designed for skiers, surfers, etc.
Me, I'll keep my Drift. Great camera, and you can take it out of the box, mount it with standard camera mounts, and the user interface is MUCH better than Go Pro.
Oh, yeah, it also takes great video.
MTV
I agree with most of this except the gopros being mostly hype. A person can get an ok video from a drift and using some crappy cut and paste video editor to make an ok video. Or you can put the time and effort into it and get outstanding video using a GP 4 black with pro tune and edit it with Adobe premier pro and get an outstanding video. Different strokes for different folks, but it isn't "hype" if you have the skills to utilize it. Gopro doesn't hide this either...they say the 4 black is geared towards serious videographers looking to make the most of their vids
I can't argue with any of that. The question is how many of us are trying to compete with Hollywood? And how many want to spend north of a thou for camera, mounts, editing software, etc, etc?
The Drift takes great video, for one of us amateurs. The functionality of the Go Pro is aimed at mounting cameras on a person, and in my experience, their remotes suck.
But, to each his own. If you want to dump that much cash and hassle into making videos to post on You Tube, go for it.
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Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:51 pm
Re: Recomendations for a first video camera
their remotes suck
+1
Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:18 pm
Re: Recomendations for a first video camera
Great thread. After reading much of the information I think I am leaning towards a Drift. I need something that is easy to use since I am a beginner in this category and that is very durable or as we used to say "Sailor Proof". With that consideration can anyone give me the specific model and options or assecories I will need?
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