What is the proper why to ask if I want to land further down the runway rather than at the numbers?

For example: Flying into Boise (10,000 foot runway), I want to park at Jackson Jet Center and Approach tells me to expect 28R.

Do I simply ask: "Can I land past Delta to exit at Eco or Gulf?"

I've always just land at the numbers, but get stuck taxing around the airliners and in some cases having to hold short for a minute or two to let an airliner back out of the gate, etc.

Usually I just ask to land long. Asking for the option works too.

Here in Jackson Hole I just ask for "request to land long" I get approved 99.9% of the time ,no problem.

Rob wrote:Don't mean to sound like a prick, and I really try not to on the radio, but I never "request" to land long. I advise that I will be landing long. Asking permission of where to land only affords them the opportunity to tell you where to land. Why would you give them that option? You were already cleared to land on their runway, so long as it's accomplished legally and without causing anyone else any undue hardships what's the big deal? For the record I always advise when I will be landing long, so they know that I will in fact be landing and they are not anticipating a go-around. Am I missing something?

I'm liking your idea, Rob. Makes since to me. I guess once the tower clears you to land on said runway and it's not a runway that intersects another runway, it's all yours to do just about what you want (land short, on the numbers, land long, ground effect to the last 3/4 of the runway, etc.) as long as it's legal, safe, and within regulations.

Rob wrote:
Don't mean to sound like a prick

Rob, You can't be the prick, Tim took that title in another thread a few days ago!

You gotta be quick to get the good titles around here, Like a fox!

Once they clear you to land, you own the entire runway or any portion of it you need/want.

If you don't believe me, just sit at any large municipal airport and see how many students land 3/4 down the runway without the slightest hint of any shame

Only those of us who remember grouchy, foul-mouthed, ill-tempered, hard-nosed instructors from a distant and better time in aviation know that we're only allowed to land on the numbers.

(Thank you Mr. Stennis, Mr. Ryan, Mr. Kertes, Mr. Derby)

Often if your doing something that is safe and makes their life easier, they will let you do it! Landing long lets them do less work when it comes to your taxi, so they will most definitly approve!

I suppose by rule you may land anywhere you want on the runway once cleared, but it is courteous to do as Rob suggested and let them know. If there are 6 or 7 others behind you, the tower will want you clear of the runway as quickly as possible, as often times is the case in Juneau, AK in the summertime. If you want a short approach - long landing, that is usually OK, but I have seen it denied. If you are planning on flying a normal approach and then floating down 2/3 of the runway at 50mph before you touch down, don't expect them to do you any favors when it's time to depart.

gb

Hi gb,

I agree with you whole heartedly. The reason I deleted my post is because it left too much unsaid, and at the time I could not hang around any longer to make it right. Sorry Z, I know you hate deleted posts due to the riff in the continuity of the post
All I was really going to add was what gb alluded to... bottom line, the world is expecting you to land in the touch down zone of the strip. So just let 'em know what's up... Now, it has been some time since I cracked open a FAR/AIM but I think the touch down zone was described as the first half or 3000'.... I'm sure there are enough wizz bang, CF tripple i's here that i will be corrected soon.

In a note I posted to '58, I compared the request to land long, to a request thru an MOA. Ask a controller about an MOA sometime. I have, just wondering if it was in use. I always get the "not recommended" treatment that would send a less confident pilot skirting around, when all I really wanted to know is if there was any activity or not...

Take care, Rob

Pat,
At Boise they will routinely give you a long landing, or a "short approach, long landing' if the traffic permits. I have been denied when on skis and then I explained the situation and noted I would prefer to stay in the pattern until I could rather than taxi the 2 miles. They had me do a 360 and then cleared as requested. As has been stated, be part of the team and make sure your teammates know your next move.

Matt 7GCBC wrote:Pat,
At Boise they will routinely give you a long landing, or a "short approach, long landing' if the traffic permits. I have been denied when on skis and then I explained the situation and noted I would prefer to stay in the pattern until I could rather than taxi the 2 miles. They had me do a 360 and then cleared as requested. As has been stated, be part of the team and make sure your teammates know your next move.

Sounds good, Matt. I plan to go over to Boise the next few days to work on my radio communications with ATC. I had to do 3, 360's over Eagle one time for a fleet of A-10's coming in all at once. I didn't have a problem with it and the Tower thanked me very very much!! Good group of people up in that tower!!

The one time I think it is appropriate to request a long landing (and not advise of a long landing) is when 'land and hold short operations' are in effect. Tower controllers get miffed when you advise them of a long landing when there is a crossing runway in the mix, such as at KPRC. If I want to be specific I'll tell the controller which taxiway exit I'm going to use when I advise or request. It sets them at ease when they know you are familiar enough with the airport to give them the details.

Strata Rocketeer wrote:The one time I think it is appropriate to request a long landing (and not advise of a long landing) is when 'land and hold short operations' are in effect. Tower controllers get miffed when you advise them of a long landing when there is a crossing runway in the mix, such as at KPRC. If I want to be specific I'll tell the controller which taxiway exit I'm going to use when I advise or request. It sets them at ease when they know you are familiar enough with the airport to give them the details.

Yeah, I think that sounds good too. Like at Boise for example:

Tower clears me to land 28R, I can respond back with:

"Cleared to land 28R, landing long, past Delta, turn right at Gulf."

I think just letting them know you're landing long and exiting at golf is adequate. Less wordy, less chance of getting tongue tied. Just make sure you do get off the runway where you say you're going to get off. Also, if you're going to advise, be aware of where the guy is behind you, otherwise you might get your knuckles slapped by the controller.

At many airports a long landing is the most appropriate thing to do because of where the taxiway exits are located (long distances between exits). It gets you clear of the runway quickly, especially when there is someone a little too close behind you. In that circumstance sometimes I don't even advise, especially when there is a lot of radio traffic. I just do it. Saves the tower controller from issuing a go around to the guy behind you and throwing a monkey wrench into a crowded traffic pattern.

Another thing to consider is the ground controller/tower controller as a team. If you maintain good situational awareness of what's going on in the air and on the ground it reduces the work load of both the tower controller and the ground controller, and they appreciate that, and will often tell you so. Many times when you tell the tower controller where you intend to park on the airport it all falls into place and both controllers will know where to expect you to be for the most efficient ground movement to your destination on the airport once you exit the runway.

Strata Rocketeer wrote:Another thing to consider is the ground controller/tower controller as a team. If you maintain good situational awareness of what's going on in the air and on the ground it reduces the work load of both the tower controller and the ground controller, and they appreciate that, and will often tell you so.

Very good point! Because another aircraft can be holding short at Eco or Gulf waiting for an Intersection Take Off or taxi across the runway, etc.

tejasflyer wrote:Rob wrote:
Don't mean to sound like a prick

Rob, You can't be the prick, Tim took that title in another thread a few days ago!

You gotta be quick to get the good titles around here, Like a fox!

Good point

Tim (BCPrick)

I would think it would be ok to land most anywhere, but if you have heavy iron breathing down your neck the controller may want you on the ground and off the runway ASAP. "Make good time." is usually code for get your slow GA butt out of the way.

TD

I got yelled at the other day by ATC at PVU. I did a nice slow approach and landing and usually they tell you to take A3. I was rolling down the runway to A3 and the ATC came on the radio and said. "you need to take the first available exit! You just used 1800' of runway."

There was one Katana waiting to take off and no one else in the pattern. I have only been directed off at A2 twice in 2 years, and that was when the pattern was really busy. Guess the guy was having a bad day.

I figured unless I am told where to exit I could do what I want. Am I supposed to pull off as soon as I can, or is it my choice unless I'm told different?

Jaerl, you should always wait for ATC to tell you where to go.