Skystrider, That's what I usually do and it is almost always A3. If you take A1 or A2 your are taxiing a long ways against departing traffic from the flight school and A3 puts you right off at parking. Like I said, I guess he was just having a bad day and needed someone to yell at. Just glad he wasn't a postman with an AK47

Sounds like PVU was having a bad day, I can't imagine using 1800' is bad in anybody's book unless you are in helicopter.

ATC expects everybody to do what is "normal", whether it is landing in the touchdown zone and clearing the runway in a normal manner or climbing at what they consider to be a normal speed and rate for the type aircraft. Of course "normal" means something different depending on what you are flying and where. Normal in a G2 at LAX means approaching at 250 KIAS up to about 10 miles from touchdown unless ATC asks for something else. On the other hand when I fly into West Podunk where the airspace is filled with indians I slow down as much as feasable. (please turn your transponder on so I can see you)

Long landings, short approaches, steep climbs etc. are not normal and ATC should be asked so they can plan on it. If you are alone in the pattern, or if the other guy flies a Katana , there should be no problem.

The phrase I hear, and hate, is when a controller says something like "turn left 20 degrees to clear MY departure path". It aint your departure path, it belongs to everybody. In my humble opinion.

Jaerl wrote:Skystrider, That's what I usually do and it is almost always A3. If you take A1 or A2 your are taxiing a long ways against departing traffic from the flight school and A3 puts you right off at parking. Like I said, I guess he was just having a bad day and needed someone to yell at. Just glad he wasn't a postman with an AK47

Jaerl, I think you missed the intent of my (supposed to be humerous) comment! Sorry!

At big towered apt, I usually figure out ahead of time where I want to depart the runway and ask to land long to make it easyer for everybody. Also I ask for mid field take off. I cannot think of any reason to land at Provo when you have Spanish Fork available, unless they had free hangar space.

I am curently parked at Spanish Fork and they are really nice. Free tie down for 1 to 3 nights.

Tim

Once you are cleared to land it is your option to land as you see fit. That being said I like to request to "land Long". Most controllers appreciate this and say land at your discretion, land long approved,or may say they have traffic to follow which is a hint to get off as soon as practical. I have had some controllers rudely remind me that my request to "land long" is not required. This is my take on the subject.

When I am trying to be accomadating to a controler, seldom are they jerks. All but twice that I recal they are nice. The last controler that was a jerk to me was when flying over Portland space and they directed me all over the place for no good readon. I could see all the trafic. When we were through I told them that for the jerk arround that I got, I would never report to them again when flying over there sacred area.

Tim

Jaerl wrote:I got yelled at the other day by ATC at PVU. I did a nice slow approach and landing and usually they tell you to take A3. I was rolling down the runway to A3 and the ATC came on the radio and said. "you need to take the first available exit! You just used 1800' of runway."

There was one Katana waiting to take off and no one else in the pattern. I have only been directed off at A2 twice in 2 years, and that was when the pattern was really busy. Guess the guy was having a bad day.

I figured unless I am told where to exit I could do what I want. Am I supposed to pull off as soon as I can, or is it my choice unless I'm told different?

I one time landed and asked for a 180 taxi back. I was in my RV and used about 500ft of runway. The guy that was in the tower was a hard nose. I hadn't done the turn yet, but he sure thought I did. He come back blazen, "Since you are already doing it, go ahead". I was steamed, I came back with, since I'm cleared, I will now make my turn back. He came back with, you will not be doing that again. I still don't understand what he meant by, not again. since I have done this many times and since than have been cleared for the 180 taxi back on the runway. When I fly in with the kitfox and land on the sod which is next to this runway, I always taxi back after getting off the sod. If I use the asphalt I taxi back on the runway, saves a lot of time on the runway and I don't have to use the parralel taxiway. I think the guy had a real bad day going and I was it.

I ask to land long, if cleared, I land just short of where I want to exit the runway. RB

Once cleared to land, do any of you slide over and land along side in the grass? I do that all the time at non controlled airports, but am usually denied when I ask a tower for permission.

patrol guy wrote:Once cleared to land, do any of you slide over and land along side in the grass? I do that all the time at non controlled airports, but am usually denied when I ask a tower for permission.

that's what we have, a section for landing on the sod. It has to be approved for landing on. Ours closes in the winter, I wish to be able to land on it in the winter, but no, it's closed. I wouldn't do it if I were you, could get in a bunch of trouble. I also get cleared to land on the sod with also at your own risk. Also, we have a second longer runway on the other side of the sod runway. When somebody uses the sod both the other runways are basically closed. In other words nobody can use the sod and the hard runway at the same time. Now when the tower closes than anything is up for grabs. I use that sod runway anyway I want. I like that.

When landing and going beyond the numbers always ask for a long landing off at lets say gulf. Don't use landing with the option. Case in point I was doing touch and go's at a long runway, 8000ft long at the international airport. I came in for spot landings down the runway. That's where I do about 10 touches on one pass. I did the first touch and went for the second and got a talking to. Next time let me know your are going the full length. So, I for now on always even if cleared for the option state that I will be full length, I always get a thank you.

Now for landing long or for any other message to the tower, make it short and with their language. In other words. I'm landing long off at gulf for example is a good one. Once you start rambleing on you are more than likely going to get, please repeat and probably 2 or 3 times before they get it. So short and sweet with their lingo will go much further.

When you're cleared to land, the runway--all of it--is yours to use.

Controllers, however are trying to work traffic, and they almost always appreciate you letting them know when you're going to do something that's not quite "standard". Like most of us, controllers don't like surprises.

BUT, if you intend to land long, just tell them you're landing long. Most controllers will say long landing approved or??, but it makes no difference, assuming you've been cleared to land.

You DO need permission to make a "short approach", though. My request there is "Requesting short approach, long landing." That allows me to turn base inside the numbers, and land well down the runway, assuming you're on downwind. Expedites traffic flow, and makes controllers happy.

I TRY to give the controller a heads up in advance so they know what to expect, but sometimes even then, the best intentions....

I landed at San Antonio Intl. once in a Husky. On approach, the tower guy asked me if I could exit on the first taxiway. I said "Affirmative". There was about a 20 knot wind right down the runway. The taxiway that enters the runway at the approach end of that runway is wide, so I landed, touching down right at the threshold, braked, and turned off on the end taxiway.

I switched to ground and asked for clearance to taxi. Ground came back with "Where are you??" I told him I was on the first taxiway. He came back on, laughing, and said "That was a good one! Next time, you can use more than 1/100 of the runway if you like, we meant the NEXT taxiway--taxi to parking"

MTV

Unless they give you a LAHSO then the whole runway is yours. If I was feeling chatty I might do something like this

TWR: Cleared to land XX

ME: Cleared XX, will be landing long

It depends on my urgency and how busy they are,

if I am the only guy out I doubt I would bother to tell them I am landing long,

if they were busy and I wanted to land long for no reason I might ask them to be nice,

if I really had to use the head and that was at the last taxi way I would probably tell them I am landing long.

Tim said "I cannot think of any reason to land at Provo when you have Spanish Fork available, unless they had free hangar space". Tim, I couldn't agree more. SF is a great little airport and the FBO guys are great too. I think it isn't as laid back as it was with the old management but it is still a nice airport and a great place to practice flying in the wind.

The free hanger space is exactly why I am there. A friend sold a Beech Baron and has pretty much quit flying. He was just using the hanger to keep some stuff in. I was talking to him and he told me I could use his hanger for $50 a month! That was great for 6 months but when it was time to renew he decided it was his turn to pay the $50 and I needed to get the rest. I appreciate the discount so I kept it.

I was going to build a hanger at Spanish Fork but after the airport management and the city gave me the requirements I decided to pass. The improvements they wanted me to make (planters, curbing and asphalt) plus the hookup fees ended up being a lot more than the cost of the hanger, so I decided to pass. Besides, I am still looking for a deal on a Porta-Port Hanger so I can go and hide in the desert anyway.

Unless you are after the "portable" feature of the PortaPort, or can find a real deal on one (like free!), if I was you I'd just build a regular hangar. I rented a portaport from a friend for about a year & they're kind of a PITA-- a chinese fire drill to open the doors, wind blows in under the side & at the eaves, etc. The doors blew in on one at my airport & smashed the spinner of the airplane inside. Maybe they weren't secured properly but I haven't ever seen that happen with the door on a regular (dare I say "real")hangar.
They're not even readily portable, but maybe the "portable" label would allow one where a normal hangar wouldn't be allowed, or where it would require a building permit.

Unless I am specifically instructed otherwise, I land where I want to, especially if it as a class D or C and not busy.

It's important to keep everyone in the loop. A number of years ago an associate of mine was flying into BFI in a 182.
They were landing on 31L/R, since he was going to the north parking he choose to land long, he didn't say anything to the tower.

What he was unaware of was that a B-747 was approaching behind him. It would have been no problem if the tower had known he intended to land long, they would have simply had him land on 31R instead of the left. Long story short the 747 performed a go around and due to wake turbulence the 182 ended up on it's back between the runways.

Completely preventable with some communication.