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Salmon River Canyon Fire

The "Elkhorn Fire" in Idaho has jumped the Salmon River and grown to 10000 acres.

https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident-information/idpaf-elkhorn-fire?fbclid=IwAR03OLJMOzDj4mJEup3NyO5YCznskl2ab-Vh9g4BeMmUyzxjsYS9k09eojM#

Unfortunately, it appears that it has overtaken Whitewater Ranch, Yellow Pine Bar and Allison Ranch. Hoping for the best. These ranches and the surrounding forests are irreplaceable treasures. This is a tragic loss for the Idaho Backcountry.
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Re: Salmon River Canyon Fire

Just down river from there was on fire last October when I was in that area elk hunting. Not far from Mackay. Huge bummer.
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Josef wrote:Just down river from there was on fire last October when I was in that area elk hunting. Not far from Mackay. Huge bummer.


I was also there in October and saw that fire. It was pretty small with no TFR.
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Tragic? I may have a unique view on this. Born and raised in Idaho, worked summers thru college fighting fires. A big one I was on was on the Salmon, burned 10000 acres a day for awhile. Can't even really tell where it was now. If the trees burn, they'll grow back. It's kind of a natural process there. Back in the twenties?, I think, idaho had a fire that burned three million acres. My grandpa might have been on that one. :D All of it is lush forest now. If people's property burns, I'm sorry about that, but that is one of the risks you take when you buy property in Idaho forest. Hopefully, they can rebuild. Take the long view.

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The Last Infra Red flight was Friday July 28, at 04:00 Hours PM MDT. It shows 1652 acres.
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This Operations map for today was made Last night July 30, 11:04 PM MDT. The red perimeter is all unsecured fire edge. 24,174 Acres
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IR Flight This morning Aug 1, 01:23 HRS, Shows accurate perimeter now, Acres burned reduced slightly to 22,361. They had done some structure protection measures in the area earlier such as setting up sprinklers on cabin roofs. We'll have to watch https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident-infor ... khorn-fire for a possible update on structures.

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Here's a link to the RAWS Remote Automatic Weather Station located at Chamberlain airstrip AKA Ranch airstrip if you're curious about the weather in the area.https://mesowest.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droma ... =0&order=1

Coordinates for locations you can copy and paste into the search box in Google Earth or Google Maps and zoom in to see the buildings and such.

Chamberlain 45 22 31, -115 11 49

Whitewater Ranch 45 31 54, -115 18 17

Yellow Pine Bar 45 32 33, -115 15 04

Allison Ranch 45 33 56, -115 13 28

Arctic Point Lookout 45 28 27, -115 02 18

River of No return Lodge 45 29 10, -114 58 34

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c180pilot wrote:Tragic? I may have a unique view on this. Born and raised in Idaho, worked summers thru college fighting fires. A big one I was on was on the Salmon, burned 10000 acres a day for awhile. Can't even really tell where it was now. If the trees burn, they'll grow back. It's kind of a natural process there. Back in the twenties?, I think, idaho had a fire that burned three million acres. My grandpa might have been on that one. :D All of it is lush forest now. If people's property burns, I'm sorry about that, but that is one of the risks you take when you buy property in Idaho forest. Hopefully, they can rebuild. Take the long view.

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I'm with you on a lot of that Wayne. I realize that it's a natural process and that forests are surprisingly resilient and regenerative. I have seen forests miraculously come back to abundance over a relatively short period.

The tragedy, in my opinion, is the loss of historical lodges. If they go down, they will most likely never return.

Could you build out new structures on wilderness in holdings today? If so, I doubt that you could find an insurance policy covering fire damage for a lodge on the lower Salmon, which has fires every year it seems.

It is uncertain to me if any of these lodges were destroyed, but the property upon which they are built appears to have been burned through.

I have heard that Sulphur Creek lodge may be closed to the public indefinitely because of infrastructure problems that resulted from the big fire a couple of years ago.

The Minam River Lodge was threatened by a wildfire burning less than a half mile away last year. Fortunately, it is still standing.

I simply hope that the places that I have been fortunate enough to spend time at with my family and friends remain intact for others well in to the future. The loss of such places is what I would find to be tragic.
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IR flight last night Aug 1, 22:40 HRS MDT. 1,579 acre increase for total of 23,940 acres. most of the increase on the north edge of the fire.
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Unfortunately it looks like the fire has done some damage to structures:

https://www.gofundme.com/f/fire-relief- ... 0LCrkUnXco
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highroad wrote:Unfortunately it looks like the fire has done some damage to structures:

https://www.gofundme.com/f/fire-relief- ... 0LCrkUnXco


That's terrible news :cry:
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Re: Salmon River Canyon Fire

We just rode motorcycles up Salmon River from Riggins and traversed up to top near Burgdorf. Smoke was getting thick from day before. It’s hot and dry up there.
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highroad wrote:Unfortunately it looks like the fire has done some damage to structures:

https://www.gofundme.com/f/fire-relief- ... 0LCrkUnXco


Im not familiar with Alison Ranch-- is there an airstrip there, lodge, campground ??
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FYI there was no IR Flight last Night due to weather.

Allison Ranch Airstrip
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Allison ranch buildings
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Sheepeater Lookout, built in 1934 and replaced with a metal lookout :( in 1976

The original in 1967
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The Metal Lookout still in use today
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From Inciweb https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident-publi ... -firestorm


McCall, Idaho – August 2, 2023: In the early afternoon of July 30, 2023, the Elkhorn Fire began taking what would be by the end of the day, a 20,000-acre run of extreme fire behavior up the Salmon River. In the path of the fire were Allison Ranch and Yellow Pine Ranch. Unfortunately, seven structures at Allison Ranch and one at Yellow Pine Ranch were a complete loss, and another partially damaged at Yellow Pine Ranch.

Shortly after the morning inversion cleared, a notable increase in fire behavior took place on the south side of the river, and a substantial smoke column developed. Within minutes, the fire had crossed the river in the area of Allison Ranch where firefighters acted by using the sprinklers, pumps, and hose lays already in place at the ranch in an effort to protect the structures. Soon, another report of the fire having crossed the river at Yellowpine Ranch came in. Within the next hour, the smoke column collapsed. Firefighters who were at Allison Ranch estimated 50, then 60 and even as high as 90 miles per hour wind blowing from all directions with large burning pieces of debris flying through the air. Firefighters remained on site to provided structure protection as long as they could but had to evacuate the area due in extreme fire behavior and burn intensity. Structure protection took place at Yellow Pine Ranch as well that helped minimize the damage.

What was different this time? Fire and structure protection has taken place at ranches along the river many times in previous years. This time was the perfectly wrong alignment of fuels, terrain and weather that equated to the significant fire behavior that took place. While the loss of the structures is unfortunate, we are thankful that all firefighters and members of the public that were with them were quickly accounted for.

The Payette National Forest has a public wildfire information hotline for fire information – 208-634-0820. Visit Inciweb for information on large wildfires at https://inciweb.nwcg.gov
, and follow the Payette National Forest on Twitter at @PayetteForest, and on Facebook at U.S. Forest Service – Payette National Forest.
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There was no IR flight last night due to weather.

I added another RAWS station to the map. Mariah, one half mile north of White Water Ranch Ranch.
Coordinates 45 32 12, -115 18 38

Link https://mesowest.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droma ... =0&order=1

The RAWS at Ranch airstrip has gotten .05 inches of precipitation in the last 2 days but Mariah has had zero.

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No IR flight last night due to weather again. The good news is Lodge Pole RAWS (The one at Chamberlain AKA Ranch Airstrip) received 0.16 inches of rain in the past 24 Hours. Mariah received only 0.01 though. It is going to be good fire fighting weather today and the next few days with good chances of rain. Not so good for flying.

Link to the National Weather Service 'Gridpoint" forecast for The ElkHorn Fire area https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.p ... 3444404923

Coordinates for the Gridpoint 45.55, -115.2
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The Incident management team on the fire has installed a RAWS station at the Whitewater Ranch. It is an IRAWS (Short for Incident RAWS)
Link to IRAWS 33 https://mesowest.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droma ... ?stn=BGHC1

In the last 24 hours IRAWS 33 has received 0.44 inches of rain, Lodgepole RAWS at Chamberlain received .42 inches in the past 2 days and Mariah 0.37 inches. That should stopmuch fire spread for a few days.

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The clouds finally cleared and they were able to make an IR flight last night, Aug 10. There was an increase of 2024 acres since the last IR flight on Aug 2nd. Total acres is now 25,964. in the last 10 days the three RAWS stations in the fire area have received approximately 0.6 to 0.7 inches of rain.

Still lots of hot spots.
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On Inciwedb they posted a photo of a Lookout and cabin wrapped in foil. The Inciweb photo is labeled Sheep Hill. It is actually the Arctic Point Lookout.
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Sheep Hill Lookout is about 8 Miles north northwest. http://www.firelookout.com/id/sheephill.html
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