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Scouting a hunt by air: Regulations

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Re: Scouting a hunt by air: Regulations

Hafast wrote:http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/50447999-76/national-park-axelsen-mcginn.html.csp


Yeah, we saw it the first time (#2 above.)

It is as full of crap now as the first time it was posted.
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Re: Scouting a hunt by air: Regulations

once&futr_alaskaflyer wrote:
Hafast wrote:http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/50447999-76/national-park-axelsen-mcginn.html.csp


Yeah, we saw it the first time (#2 above.)

It is as full of crap now as the first time it was posted.


Yep. Cannot imagine a piss fir ever doing anything like that. Or for that matter a highway patrolman speeding. [-X

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Scouting a hunt by air: Regulations

qmdv wrote:
once&futr_alaskaflyer wrote:
Hafast wrote:http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/50447999-76/national-park-axelsen-mcginn.html.csp


Yeah, we saw it the first time (#2 above.)

It is as full of crap now as the first time it was posted.


Yep. Cannot imagine a piss fir ever doing anything like that. Or for that matter a highway patrolman speeding. [-X

Tim

No one cares about your imagination, nor that reporter's either.
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Re: Scouting a hunt by air: Regulations

Nobody is happy about what happened to these two folks. They have loved ones left behind and I do feel for them. It sounds like there is not much hard evidence that they were breaking any laws. I will not acuse them of that. But then I would not be too surprised if they were.

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Re: Scouting a hunt by air: Regulations

A question for any of you parkies, DOW types etc...

from the AZGFD FAQs :

Can I use an aircraft to scout wildlife before or during the season:

No. Commission Rule R12-4-319 states that a person shall not use any aircraft, or any contrivance used for flight, or any lighter-than-air contrivance, to take, locate, or assist in locating wildlife beginning 48 hours before and during all big game seasons. This rule applies to all big game seasons and includes Commission Order special seasons. The Arizona Game and Fish Department also states aircraft cannot be used at any time in a manner that results in harassment to wildlife.

My question is regarding quail, doves etc... Can I fly into 'xy' dirt strip (assuming legal every other way) at 0'dark thirty, and spend the morning shooting birds? Also I understand that dove fall under migratory, and may not be treated the same as quail...
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Re: Scouting a hunt by air: Regulations

Let's see..can I use an aircraft to spot coyotes from the air before I shoot coyotes from the airplane while in the air on the same day?
Can I shoot prarie dogs from the ground if I spot prarie dog towns from the air the same day or the previous day?
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Re: Park Rangers Killed in Utah Crash - Cessna 172

nmflyguy wrote:
once&futr_alaskaflyer wrote:Utah has one of the toughest aircraft hunting regs I've seen. Basically the entire hunting season is closed to flying low and slow regardless if you are hunting that period of time or not or what you are looking at. Neither can you use your plane to fly into an area to begin your hunt or to fly home with your meat. Total crap if you ask me though I certainly support restrictions against harassment or same day airborne.

Laurie and Brent certainly knew the regs having worked in Utah for a while. Truth is no one will ever know what they were doing...Brent's girlfriend supposedly said they were looking for access routes for a camp but who knows.

Edit: having done my fair share of flying low and slow during hunting season here and elsewhere, in both helicopters and fixed wings, I can tell you that moose, caribou and elk generally don't budge until you are practically landing on top of them. Muleys and whitetail are a bit more skittish.


Seems to me that States don't have the legal right to regulate the use of aircraft under our constitution and the Supremacy clause, period ... no matter what the law supposes is the aviator's intent. The sole authority to regulate the use of aircraft in the United States of America is the FAA, period. That several states may have such laws on their books, under the guise of regulating fish and game, does not mean they are constitutionally legal if they violate the Supremacy clause of the US Constitution. More than likely, they have not yet been subjected to a constitutional challenge ... but perhaps any constitutional scholars who fly backcountry airplanes can correct me on this point.



Better practice your kicking and screaming now :roll:
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Re: Scouting a hunt by air: Regulations

This is my all-time favorite regulation regarding hunting and aircraft, courtesy of the finest minds in the Washington State Legislature:

WAC 232-12-057 (4) It is unlawful to hunt big game on the day one was airborne in an aircraft, except on a regularly scheduled commercial airline flight.


That's right, it's lawful to hunt big game while you're on the airline flight!
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courierguy wrote:The last week or so I have noticed a lot of people in areas I usually never see anyone. They are wearing orange, and appear to be heavily armed.
I keep my distance, and have had to break off some approachs on some ridge top landing areas because of these people. Can the FAA help me?


Those are TSA & Border Patrol personnel. Both agencies are ramping up to cover off-airport landing sites to prevent nation-endangering mischief from the renegades who frequent such places.
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