Jaerl, There are at least two grass strip airports on the border that I have used. Scobey (??close to this) Montana has the border going down the center line of the runway. The other was Port Hill, ID, but that strip is on US side. That would solve the foreign pilot part.
Good luck on selling it.

by ccurrie » Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:03 pm

I looked into buying a 170 in the US and found out there is a stupid rule that you cant fly a US regestered plane in the US with a canadian pilots licence,

Just to show how consistent governments are, Canada has a stupid rule that a US licensed pilot can't fly a Canadian registered plane, EITHER. The good news is that you can present your US pilot's certificate to a Transport Canada office and they will issue you a day, vfr, Canadian pilot certificate. I would imagine the US will do the same. Good luck. FF

Where is you guys sense of Adventure!!! The guy is actually in Sault Ste. Marie Ontario/Wisconsin, 1244 km from here. It is right at the top of the Great Lakes and I have never been there yet. I have to do a lot more homework but I was thinking:

1. The sales price will need to be adjusted for expenses because I can't charge to deliver his plane.
2. Require a big (2,000 Maybe more) NON refundable deposit wired to my bank. Enough to get me there and back + sight seeing along the way.
3. As Zane suggested the remainder of the cash gets wired to an escrow broker along with the FAA Bill of Sale and a Utah State Bill of sale.

I deliver the plane to Canada. Then he decides if he just bought me a great vacation and gets most of his money back from the Broker, or he can get the Bill of Sales and take the plane "as is".

This sounds fair to me but I haven't run it by him yet.

jaerl I live in northwest sask. not far from loydminster and yes the deer hunting is good in most of saskatchewan

Well I think Gump is going a little hard on this one. Most deals up here use a broker, but the buyer may find that rich for a 150. The main thing is the U.S. licence rule. If the seller won't deliver it, we have to find someone with a U.S. licence to go down and fly it back. A royal pain!
While quite a few Canadians have a U.S. licence they are usually commercial pilots that need to be paid for their time and expenses. It works much better for us ordinary mortals if the seller can deliver, usually for expenses and a plane ticket home.

ccurrie, Really Nice!!! My daughter and I drove up to see the house I bought in Togo a few years back. On the way back it was a total blizzard and she was watching an old Garimn GPS so I could know when the curves were coming. IFR on the highway! Any way all of a sudden there was the biggest deer I ever saw standing right in the middle of the road. Don't have a clue where he hid during the day because it was the prairie and totally flat.

Hi Jaerl, not to find fault, but Sault Ste Marie, ON is across the International Bridge (St Mary's River) from Sault St Marie, Michigan. About 200 miles from the closest part of Wisconsin. If you do deliver your airplane and have time, make sure to check out the Canadian Bushplane Heritage Centre, a great museum in Sault Ste Marie, ON.

Tim
ps: The Sault is 400 sm east of Duluth MN, winter could be a tough time of year to cross the northern part of Wisconsin and Michigan with the lake effect snow off Lake Superior.

Several things to consider, plus information and mis-information in this thread. If the Canuck buys your plane, he still pays tax in Canada if he legally wants to register it in Canada (it may be as much as $5000 to do the paperwork, though that can vary), so it does not matter who flies it across. If he wants if for parts, than I can understand. If you do not have a US pilots ticket, you cannot legally land a US plane in Canada and vis versa (I have both), you have to take the test, they do not just give it to you, the rules do vary and there is no Gleim book of test answers available to look at. You will need an eapis and Canpass to cross the border. If you have had a DUI or felony in the US, you already know the problems getting into Canada (they don't like that). Legally you need a radio license and cert of insurance (though I have never been asked). Sounds to me like the best plan of action, is to get cash money and let him move it across the border. Steve

Has the barefoot band-idiot taught us nothing? It's two miles from the border for chrissake. Just fly it across, and walk back. No eapis, no canpass, no passport, no license, no fees.

Remember... This is Jerry we're talking about. There'd be a predator drone waiting for him at the border, and his C150 exploding in midair would be going viral on Youtube within the hour.

Gump

steve the way I understand it a canadian can fly a us regestered plane in canada but not in the us and vis versa you mite need a ferry permit if you own it and dont have a canadian c of r /c of a I think?

ccurie,

You may be right, I am checking. I just sent an e-mail to someone that will know, or at least will get the right answer. I am a US citizen, but a Canadian landed immigrant with permanant resident status. My 185 remains US registered, but I occasionally pilot Canadian registered planes and was told a Canadian ticket was required, so I complied. A written test must be taken to aquire a Canadian ticket, the rules do differ in each country. I did not bother transfering my Instrument, as it was entailed, I only fly bush here anyway and most planes don't have a transponder. A Canadian friend told me he needed a waiver to fly a US registered plane in the US. Garth did training in the US and should be able to respond to this. Steve

Hello all,

I have sat quiet on this one for a bit but I feel that I have to chime in. I "think" there is a great deal of misinformation on this one.

Firstly the issue of the "Canadian" flying a US registered aircraft. An individual with a Candian Pilot License cannot fly a US registered aircraft in the USA. He/She can only fly a Canadian registered aircraft in the USA. I say that meaning "as a licensed pilot". You can certainly get a "FAA student pilot permit" from a flight training instituion and go solo in their aircraft, but you cannot exercise the privileges of your license.i.e. take passengers. The process for a Canadian citizen with a Transport Canada License to get a FAA "private" license is fairly simple. First, no matter what type of Canadian Lincense that you have, i.e. Commercial, IFR, etc. you can only apply to get a FAA equlivant to a private; unless you write a test and do a flight standards ride in the USA. For example, if you have a transport Canada Commercial Multi IFR, unless you travel to the USA to do a test and a flight standards ride for the Commercial and IFR, you can only transfer the Private single engine or the Private Multi; not the commercial and not the IFR portions. No test is required for the Private transfer. All you have to do is apply with the appropriate paper work on the FAA web site, the FAA collaborates with Transport Canada to confirm what you have, the FAA sends you a letter that you have to personally hand deliver to a local FSDO, show them your Canadian Passport and presto.....they give you a temporalry "private" , single or multi, untill your real FAA license shows up in the mail. No test. It does not expire. I just recently completed this myself. Traveled to the local FSDO in Fargo to get it done....they were very friendly and helpful...no issues at all. The drive...(or fly your Canadian registered plane!) is a pain in the butt but not a big deal.

Ok, now to buying a US registered plane and bringing it to Canada. As a Canadian importing an aircraft there are many pitfalls. The biggest issue is the "337 and field mod" thing in the US. Transport Canada does not recognize this at all. STC's with proper paperwork only. The import process is very through, and all paperwork must be in order. For example, I buy a US cessna 172 and do the deal in the US. Whether or not it is annualed is irelavant. I put a Canadian registation on it fly it back to the import facility to get the import inspection completed. You get a phone call the next day that "sorry sir, this 172 has 170 wings on it". (I know a bad example, but you get my point). You have just purchased a "paper weight". It cannot be registered in Canada. There are countless things that can go wrong. Vortex generators, engine issues, incorrect struts, field mods, nonapproved lights, the list is endless. As a Canadian, as someone mentioned earlier, the best advice is to use an ESCROW service. Make a deal with the US seller. Pay for the sellers fuel and transport costs to the Candian import facility. The seller "is just flying the aircraft to Canada as a visitor". Heck, even pay for the sellers time is that is what it takes. Put the seller up in a hotel for the next day while the import is getting done. If, and I stess "if", the aircraft is all good, then you exchange money and the Candian buyer pays for the seller to get back home, airline, bus etc. If the aircraft has major issues, then the seller just flys it home. You wirte in the the deal that the aircraft will be put back as is. Any seller in the US that is confident of the aircraft condition should not have any issue with this. Keep in mind that some sellers do not want the "hassle" of doing this and would prefer a local sale. That is fine as well. But, as a Canadian trying to get a an Aircraft into Canada, this is the only safe route. The import, no matter what aircaft, will be in the $5000 range. The aftermath of the paperwork will take muliple weeks to get done.

As a Canadian, Importing is a great route to get a good aircraft at a resonable price. Ok, not to offend any Candian sellers here (I live there too!) , but people in Canada are aksing way too much for their aircraft. Aircraft pricing is all based on the US market. Canadians bought their planes when the Candain Dollar was at 65 cents. The dollar is now a dollar. Canadians paid $65,000 Canadian dollars for a $42,000 US dollar aircraft. Now they want that money back. Not fair. My advice...Import...do it right and get it way cheaper. Talk to any import facility...business is booming.


Cheers

macdon221

Here is what I received on Canadians flying US planes in Canada:

401.04 No person shall act as a flight crew member or exercise the privileges of a flight crew licence in Canada in an aircraft registered in a contracting state other than Canada, unless the person holds, and can produce while so acting or while exercising such privileges,

(a) a flight crew permit or licence issued under this Subpart; or
(amended 2003/06/01; previous version)

(b) a flight crew licence, or a document equivalent to a foreign licence validation certificate, that is issued under the laws of the contracting state.

Steve

Well, Looks like I'm taking you guy's advice. The guy asked me to write a letter stating that Utah doesn't have sales tax. I really don't think a Tax Evasion Charge in Canada is on my bucket list so I think Ill pass.

Got to go, one more day to haul crap out of my building. I was going to leave the boat and old Motorhome for a while but they are pissed because someone sold off the shop heaters to pay contractors. I'm afraid the doors are getting locked today.

It makes no diference if Utah has sales tax. As soon as he regesters it in Canada they will send him a tax bill ,If they think he got it too cheep they will even charge what they think it is worth!