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So thought this might just help someone if they new or even went out and practiced!!

The Hands-off Beggs/Mueller Emergency Spin Recovery Procedure

Don’t forget the power and rudder!

By Gordon Penner, MCFI-A

People cycle in and out of our sport of aerobatics. This can cause our institutional and collective memories to start dying with time. People leave the sport and take their knowledge with them, as most people stay in a hobby for about five to seven years, then move on to something else. Sometimes, life gets in the way. The way to combat this erosion is to regularly revisit hard lessons learned and to make sure that they get correctly reprocessed in our gray matter and passed on. These lessons must also get passed on correctly. Bad information can be as dangerous as no information.

Over time pilots have gotten in the habit of calling the Beggs/Mueller emergency spin recovery the hands-off spin recovery. This slang title is not completely inaccurate, but it can lead to a dangerous misunderstanding on how to correctly perform the procedure. Some people mistakenly believe that letting go of all controls, meaning the throttle and rudder as well as the stick or yoke, is the only positive action they must perform. This mistaken belief can result in what we in the airline industry call “improper ground contact.”

Here is the actual Beggs/Mueller emergency spin recovery procedure straight out of Gene Beggs book, Spins in the Pitts Special, page 2:

1.1. Power – Off.
2.2. Remove your hand from the stick.
3.3. Apply full opposite rudder until rotation stops.
4.4. Neutralize rudder and recover to level flight.

Gene Beggs is a member of the Aerobatic Hall of Fame. The above-mentioned book was first printed in 2001. Mr. Beggs wrote the book because the problem of pilots being killed during spins in Pitts Specials was starting to come back. It was even happening to the experienced ones. The problem was showing up in other aerobatic airplanes as well.

Pilot confusion is a big part of the problem. Looking in the wrong place can cause a pilot to misidentify the spin direction and misidentify whether the spin is upright or inverted. The pilot in the spin must look directly over the top of the cowling and nowhere else to determine spin direction. In Pitts-type aircraft this means looking through the cabane struts, not over the top of the wing. Also, letting go of the stick and doing the rudder first keeps pilots from inadvertently pushing the stick enough to transition the airplane from an upright into an inverted spin. Remember, once you go inverted anti-spin rudder becomes pro-spin rudder.

Gene wrote some articles about spins in the Pitts Special starting in 1984 where he first advanced the Beggs/Mueller spin recovery. Eric Mueller was the Swiss National Champion who first wrote about this procedure with Annette Carson prior to 1981. Gene thought Eric Mueller’s article was a revelation. According to Gene, “At the time, I regarded the discovery as something new; however, I later learned it was not new at all. The hands-off opposite rudder method of spin recovery was first used back in 1912 by Lt. Wilfred Parke, of the British Royal Navy, who made history by recording the first recovery from an accidental spin in an Avro biplane. The incident became known as “Parke’s dive” and is included in Annette Carson’s book.” (Spins in the Pitts Special, pages 12-13).

Gene adopted the power-off, hands-off, opposite-rudder method in Eric Mueller’s article after testing it thoroughly. He then began teaching it in his school in Texas. It was controversial at first, but eventually the procedure took hold. It was also tested and championed by such aerobatic greats as Bob Herendeen and Clint McHenry. The number of spin accidents in the Pitts and later the Eagle went down.


There seems to be another batch of new pilots that have not learned or seen this done.
Hope it raises some interest and maybe saves some ones ass some time!
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Re: Spin Recvery

Good post.

I was taught PARE-- Power to idle, Ailerons neutral, Rudder opposite the direction of spin, Elevator to regain airspeed once the spin has stopped.

But, my addendum to spin recovery training is always this: It's not the recovery that's the most useful knowledge, it's the experience of entering the spin that's the really valuable.
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Re: Spin Recvery

Great info, thanks!
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it's the experience of entering the spin that's the really valuable.
it's the experience of NOT entering the spin that's the really valuable. :)

When I was instructing, I routinely taught my students spins and spin recovery--not required, and I didn't force the issue, but I was never turned down.

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Re: Spin Recvery

The problem is that the Beggs method does NOT work in every aircraft type. Before you ASSUME this will work in your aircraft, you might want to do some research.

It generally works in Pitts, and was developed after Art Scholl was killed in a Pitts, filming for the movie Top Gun.

But, again, it does NOT work in every aircraft type.

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My research shows it was around a lot longer than that.
Also you Are RIGHT it does not work in every aircraft.
But I am willing to bet any recip aircraft used for flying into the back country that 99.9% of the people fly on this forum that this action will work.
As I said, this is a safety for the unsuspecting.
If anyone is flying a aircraft that this will not work on in a forward or rear CG configuration, then they are flying an aircraft that is not a reasonable BC aircraft.
Only one that I do not know that is flown by this crowd is an Air Coupe? Have no idea if it will work on one or not, but your not supposed to be able to spin them any way.
Every one should have upset and spin recovery training PERIOD!!
I think any way.
My $.02 along with Mikes and we almost have a plugged nickel!! :mrgreen:
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I was taught all the techniques and acronyms during my training. If you have never actually went and done formal spin training I highly recommend it. The first time that nose snaps past vertical and you are hanging in the harness watching the ground go round and round you need to be able to recover without thinking what motions you should be going through. I couldn't believe how intense my first full blown soon spin was with an instructor was!
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Another little tid bit that might interest some.
- That the stall and the spin are not the same thing.
Rich Stowell’s 12 Myths about Stalls and Spins were covered, and also given in a handout. Also covered
were the scary studies done in the 80’s, the 90’s, and in 2005 showing that most instructors:
- Had marginal knowledge of stalls and unsatisfactory knowledge of spin dynamics
- Incorrectly believed that the ball shows spin direction
- Did not know to pull power if caught in a spin
- Got their spin endorsement with no ground instruction and only 2-3 spins.
- Were not aware of the landmark 10 – year – long NASA stall spin study
- Were not even aware of the existence of Advisory Circular 61-67, now on version C, covering
stalls, spins, and the likely scenarios that lead to them.
In the end, I feel that one of the main causes of these type of crashes is 2 – dimensional/car – type thinking. They drive airplanes like cars. They are drivers, not
flyers. Rich Stowell teaches a thing about flight controls
that I just love - that the flight controls work in relation to
the PILOT, not the HORIZON. Pitch is a head to foot
motion of the tip of the nose, NOT up and down. Yaw is
an ear to ear motion of the tip of the nose, NOT left and
right. When in knife edge flight or inverted pitch is still a
head to foot motion, but it is not up and down! You aerobatic pilots know that. Regular pilots don’t.

I copied this out of a chapter news letter.
And yes after about 10 hours(it took me that long?) you can come out of a spin on your desired heading almost everytime.
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Re: Spin Recvery

Interesting topic. One can get to the point of rolling out of a spin at a predetermined altitude and on a predetermined heading. Together they are difficult, but just one or the other is easier. Stolwell's upset attitude training is very good in my estimation. I have and have read his books. I have met him, but not flown with him, I was all set once when working in Santa Paula but I was not able.

When I was younger (younger then) I had a citabria and used to spin it every flight, I love to spin airplanes. As stated above it is the surprise you get the first time you see the attitude, and at 1000 or less elevation it is not the time to see it for the first time, the chances of flying out of a spin is grim.

If you are able to take upset training or a acrobatic course I highly recommend it, it is fun, and you will learn a lot. You may even like it as well.
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M6RV6 wrote:But I am willing to bet any recip aircraft used for flying into the back country that 99.9% of the people fly on this forum that this action will work.
Every one should have upset and spin recovery training PERIOD!!!! :mrgreen:
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You'd be betting your life on that statement, and it would be a losing bet. This is simply bad advice.

I have flown with Rich Stowell, and he is a GREAT instructor. He now bases in Idaho, by the way.

If you get a chance to fly with him by all means do so. MTV
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After reading the other posts here, I think there are some who are thinking, "If I read enough about spin recovery, I can do it if I have to." Not likely. The first time you spin, it will be so disorienting that it will surprise you. Further, if you do the wrong things, you can exacerbate the spin instead of recover from it. As others through the years have found out, it's possible to turn an ordinary recoverable spin into a totally unrecoverable spin by using the controls improperly.

In olden times, to become an instructor you had to not only have a spin endorsement, but you had to prove to the FAA Inspector on the initial ride that you could do spins to a specified heading, + or - 10 degrees. That took knowledge of the airplane and experience spinning, something you don't get by just reading about it. I don't recall having to recover at a specific altitude, as that's pretty hard to do--every airplane descends in a spin at its own rate and there isn't a lot that can be done about that.

I heartily endorse getting spin recovery training, but it should be done correctly. Most POHs have a spin recovery section in them, and that should be followed if it's there. Otherwise, I cannot endorse just letting go of the controls, as that implies that the controls will do what is necessary to make the spin stop all by themselves. What is so hard about neutralizing the stick/yoke with your hand?

The first step is always to take all of the power off, neutralize the controls, then stop the rotation with opposite rudder, then break the stall by pushing the stick/yoke "smartly" forward.

    The Cessna POHs want the yoke pushed before the rotation stops, but I found that to be neither necessary nor advisable, as it results in a sloppy, somewhat squirrely recovery that looks a whole lot like a descending spiral, doesn't make the recovery happen any quicker, and makes it a whole lot harder to predict what the heading will be.

    The Citabria POH wants the stick slightly forward of neutral during the rotation until the rotation stops, without a definite push.

    The Decathlon POH is similar to the Citabria POH, but adds this comment: "Free release of controls is not adequate for spin recovery. Positive movement of the controls by the pilot is required." [emphasis in the POH]

I prefer to stop the rotation, neutralize the rudders, then push the yoke forward to break the stall, which results in a nice, even wings straight for a wings level pull out. When I took the aerobatics course using Decathlons, my instructor followed that procedure, but wanted a "competition recovery", which involved pushing the stick until the airplane was fully vertical nose-down before recovering from the dive--I think he thought I'd go on to more advanced aerobatics and was preparing me for that.

But in any event, don't read about it. Get the training and do it. Spin recovery is part of aerobatics, and I think a basic aerobatics course will benefit just about any pilot. But if you don't have the time, $$$, or inclination to do even basic aerobatics, take a spin recovery course, because it will make you more confident and it may save your life one day.

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Re: Spin Recvery

Just so every one understands, Never have I advocated a let loose of the controls and it will take care of itself spin recovery!! You have to be proactive!! But if you have the aileron's in your hand you better damn well move them the correct way or it can get real ugly real quick!! :twisted:
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But I am willing to bet any recip aircraft used for flying into the back country that 99.9% of the people fly on this forum that this action will work.
Every one should have upset and spin recovery training PERIOD!!!!
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You'd be betting your life on that statement, and it would be a losing bet. This is simply bad advice.

I have flown with Rich Stowell, and he is a GREAT instructor. He now bases in Idaho, by the way.

If you get a chance to fly with him by all means do so. MTV

You'd be betting your life on that statement, and it would be a losing bet. This is simply bad advice

Mike, which statement is bad advice? the spin training or that I think that if you cut the power , take your hand off the stick or control yoke, stop the rotation with the rudder, and then return to level flight? :shock:
Once you stop the rotation,( the statement is return to level flight) to do this you have to grab ahold of the control yoke or stick and manipulate it to level flight!

after reading the other posts here, I think there are some who are thinking, "If I read enough about spin recovery, I can do it if I have to." Not likely. The first time you spin, it will be so disorienting that it will surprise you. Further, if you do the wrong things, you can exacerbate the spin instead of recover from it. As others through the years have found out, it's possible to turn an ordinary recoverable spin into a totally unrecoverable spin by using the controls improperly.

I completely agree with Cary's statement above!
The whole premise behind taking your hand off until rotation stops is that in a spin most people will pull or turn the stick or yoke some where besides neutral! Which is a very bad thing when trying to stop your rotation!<THIS HAS KILLED A LOT OF PILOTS>
Some one tell me what aircraft out there that is comonly used by the folks on this forum that this method WILL NOT WORK, that has spun that aircraft and tried it??
( My thoughts only!! take it or leave it I don't really care) Just trying to get the awareness that you should be getting the stall/spin training) Not trying to piss anyone off, or change anyone's perspective on what works for them.
If there is any chance that I might help some one go out and get some training, then I'll be happy!
As we all are big boys and girls, what you do with what you read here, you take it all with a grain of salt and some Alkazelser #-o
Have fun, and get some stall/spin training! [-o<
I do know that you can spin a cub from 500' do 2 complete revolutions and still have a 100' to spare. It was not me, but saw it done, scared the shit outa me and I was on the ground!!
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Re: Spin Recvery

Sorry, my cut and paste skills eluded me there, along with a repeated inability to edit my own post, hence the triple post.

What I meant was that not all backcountry type airplanes will respond to the Beggs "power off, Hands off" method of spin recovery, and to trust that they will would be a bad bet.

As to spin training, I believe it should be mandatory for ALL pilots. In fact, I wrote and proposed such a requirement for our pilots, which has now become required for all DOI pilots. We also offer a similar program to Rich Stowells in our school program here.

PARE does work in pretty much everything that exhibits "normal" spin aerodynamics.

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I was pretty sure we were trying to say the same thing differently?!??!
MAYBE? #-o
I know there is just no way someone who has never done a spin will likely come out of one close to the ground. :cry:
What I was trying to say was there are a lot of ways to DIE! :shock:
I just want to cut down on this one!! [-X
Hell in all of my 135 check rides, I have never done a full stall, just eminent!! Let alone a spin in any ride with an instructor, except when I went and made a point of it.(Have failed one because I did a full stall) :evil:
Most CFI's that I have ran into in the recent years(last 20) do not spin period!! :twisted:

Holding a full STALL and keeping the wings level or doing the falling leaf thing through a couple of thousand feet is fun after the first time!!!! :mrgreen:

Just hoping if just one pilot, reads this discussion and goes out and gets some good spin training, I will be Happy [-o<
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Yep.

Agreed.

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Hmmmm......I'd written spins off as something that made me sick and dirt simple anyway. Recovery at a certain heading or altitude could be interesting, although I'm not sure why that would be important in real life. I hate spins, unless they're flat, flat spins don't make me sick.
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flat spins don't make me sick
Most flat spins are unrecoverable, so they make most people dead. Fact.

On a lighter note, years ago I was going out to do some flying in a rental 172. I took my younger son with me, who was about 8 or so at the time. As we taxied out, he said, "Dad, can we do a flip?" "What's a flip?" "You know, where the airplane does this" and he used his hands to show a spin. I said OK, so we headed out northeast of Laramie and climbed up to about 11,000' MSL, which there is a little less than 4000' AGL. I proceeded to put the airplane into a 2 turn left spin and then recovered it. His response, "OOOOOOOH! That was scary! Can we do it again?" So we climbed back to 11,000', this time I put it into a right turn spin, but it wouldn't stay in it past about 1 1/4 turns before breaking into a steep descending spiral, so again I recovered.

So we then flew back toward the airport. When I got home, I learned that my wife, his mother, was standing in front of our house and had seen us do the spins. Like anyone who has seen spins on the movie screen, she was sure we were about to die! You can imagine how close I came to doing just that, taking into account her wrath!

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Sounds like my grand daughter and your son have the same outlook !
Pretty exciting to share!
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