Well crap, In our little dink town of Haines Alaska some son of a bitch came into my open hanger at some time this winter/early spring and stole both of my good David Clark headsets.

I have always left the things in the plane and never worried about it much here but I had done some work on the plane and don't know if they were in the plane or on one of the work benches but now they are gone. The thieves did not take the old Pilot brand set nor the Danali set nor the intercom system they just took the good stuff so it must have been someone who knew aviation which means probably a pilot. I really hate to think of a pilot stealing from another pilot.
I guess now I will set up cameras and maybe a setgun for the next asshole that comes by.

Anybody have any David Clark 13.4s they want to sell? Oh and by the way, don't buy stuff that seems like it might be a really super deal because it likely is "hot" and thieves won't steal for money if the can't sell it.

shorton wrote:I guess now I will set up cameras and maybe a setgun for the next asshole that comes by.

FYI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katko_v._Briney

rw2 wrote:

shorton wrote:I guess now I will set up cameras and maybe a setgun for the next asshole that comes by.

FYI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katko_v._Briney

This kind of crap makes my stomach turn. What has our legal system turned into? There's been cases like this when a burglar breaks into someones house and gets shot by the resident. The burglar turns around and sues the homeowner for injuries and wins.

Love the home owner's comment...

Four years after the case was decided, Briney was asked if he would change anything about the situation. Briney replied: "There's one thing I'd do different, though, I'd have aimed that gun a few feet higher."

Gump

When I was a cop in Oakland, CA (seems like a lifetime ago in the 70's) setting a "set gun or trap gun" or any other "trap" that was capable of serious or mortal injury, was in-and-of-itself a felony - - no need for it to cause harm, the act of setting and maintaining the trap was sufficient to complete the offense. One example given was a wired grid hooked up to 110 AC.

Sounds like fun, but do check your state laws ahead of time

bumper

Yeah Bumper, a (friend) might have wired up a garbage truck with one leg to the gas cap and one leg to a steel mat on the ground. Constant and repeated thefts will result in some pretty severe responses. And do not sneak into my house with evil intentions because you will not get back out. I am just sickened that this particular theft must have been a fellow aviator.

Actually, you probably could get away with using a fence charger, as it can't conceivably kill someone (unless they have a weak battery in their pacemaker . We had a couple of yard dogs at my company, one of which took great delight in urinating on my car wheels (it was a newer car so that made it even more onerous). I clipped one lead form a 50 mile, high impedance, "Red Snapper" to the bumper, the other to a ground rod for our generator. Took several days but finally the dog peed on my wheel one last time - - he had lots more opportunity, but decided it just wasn't worth the risk!

Seriously, problem with using a fence charger on your plane, though it would doubtless zap the bad guy, is that he may both steal the fence charger and also take out his considerable displeasure on your aircraft.

bumper

Trying to prevent thieves from stealing stuff by booby trapping them is a fruitless endeavor. You'll drive yourself nuts or hurt some innocent person. Your only options are to catch them (alarm or game cam) or don't leave anything of value in an open hangar. Down here in the populous 48, even in the burbs, I leave nothing of value in my car that could present a crime of opportunity.

"Thou shalt not steal" is just not embedded in some folks' psyche. Stuff that can be stolen will be stolen, given half a chance.

When Fort Collins Downtown was still open, the T-hangars had 8' walls between them. Someone left his/her hangar unlocked, and a thief or thieves hit every hangar in that row by climbing over the walls, stealing headsets, GPSs, etc. from unlocked airplanes. I had an oxygen set stolen, because it was sitting out, but stuff in the locked airplane wasn't touched.

The idea, I think, is to make it as inconvenient as possible so that more convenient targets exist--or to use the bear analogy. When you're walking with a buddy in bear country, you don't need to be able to outrun the bear. You only need to be able to outrun your buddy.

Cary

Shane

Would you offer me something for a pair of Lightspeed 3-Gs

One set new in the box, other set has about ten hours of use.
Thought I might use them for some rear-seat passengers,
then I tore our the rear seat.

Chris C

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GumpAir wrote:Love the home owner's comment...

Four years after the case was decided, Briney was asked if he would change anything about the situation. Briney replied: "There's one thing I'd do different, though, I'd have aimed that gun a few feet higher."

Gump

The first thing that they teach you in any concealed carry class is that if you need to pull a weapon, you shoot to kill. Never to maime, injure or scare. To kill. Period.

If you aren't prepared to kill, you aren't prepared to carry.

Av8r3400 wrote:The first thing that they teach you in any concealed carry class is that if you need to pull a weapon, you shoot to kill. Never to maime, injure or scare. To kill. Period.

If you aren't prepared to kill, you aren't prepared to carry.

That's kind of interesting since the NRA says "Studies indicate that firearms are used over 2 million times a year for personal protection, and that the presence of a firearm, without a shot being fired, prevents crime in many instances." and in 2010 the FBI only shows 230 justifiable homicides with gun owners protecting themselves.

Of course, when pressed they have nothing to back up that statistic (the actual number appears to be more like 50K), but still it shows why even among gun proponents there is such diversity as to why guns can only be pried from their cold dead hands.

Av8r3400 wrote:



The first thing that they teach you in any concealed carry class is that if you need to pull a weapon, you shoot to kill. Never to maime, injure or scare. To kill. Period.

If you aren't prepared to kill, you aren't prepared to carry.

As a concealed carry instructor, I must say that is one of the most ignorant things I hear. You don't shoot to kill or shoot to injure, you shoot to stop the threat! PERIOD! Also this saying that "if you draw your weapon, you must shoot" is bad bad bad! You never want to brandish a weapon but if you decide the situation has escalated to such a level that you must use your weapon to defend yourself and in the process of drawing the threat has subsided or is no longer a threat you don't shoot just because you have your weapon in your hand, you re holster your weapon, this is NOT considering brandishing.

There are many things that go into making a person "prepared to carry", not just being "prepared to kill". I would modify the "If you are not prepared to kill you are not prepared to carry" motto to "if you are not prepared to use deadly force to protect yourself or loved ones then you are not prepared to carry". I NEVER use the word or phrase "kill" with my students, I train my students to stop the threat, if the bad guy happens to die in the process of a person legally defending themselves then that is unfortunate. It is imperative that one know the laws in their location, what is legal in one place may not be legal in another. One more thing, never fire warning shots, they are not legal in most locations. Using a weapon in a self defense situtation should be a last resort, no other options situation, not the first.

If you carry you have the responsibility to do so legally and responsibly, know the law, get good training and don't go looking for trouble or to be a hero.

G44

It is imperative that one know the laws in their location, what is legal in one place may not be legal in another.

This is incredibly important. Some states' laws allow defense only of oneself, some allow defense of others (most often family, but not strangers), some allow defense of some property but not all property, some require a "retreat to the wall" before defending, nearly all require that the self-defense method not be excessive. I had a few self-defense cases when I was still doing criminal defense work in Wyoming, so I had the opportunity to research the issue, but in the process I learned that what I knew would work in Wyoming wouldn't work everywhere.

Also, FWIW, the Katko vs Briney case was a civil liability case, not a criminal case, and it did not involve any issues of self defense--the issue was tort liability, i.e., was Briney responsible for Katko's injuries, and if so, how much was the liability worth in dollars. Without researching Iowa's criminal law, it can't be said that what Briney did was a crime.

Cary

Chris C.
I don't know anything about 'lightspeed" units, what are they like?

Cary wrote:

It is imperative that one know the laws in their location, what is legal in one place may not be legal in another.

This is incredibly important. Some states' laws allow defense only of oneself, some allow defense of others (most often family, but not strangers), some allow defense of some property but not all property, some require a "retreat to the wall" before defending, nearly all require that the self-defense method not be excessive. I had a few self-defense cases when I was still doing criminal defense work in Wyoming, so I had the opportunity to research the issue, but in the process I learned that what I knew would work in Wyoming wouldn't work everywhere.

Also, FWIW, the Katko vs Briney case was a civil liability case, not a criminal case, and it did not involve any issues of self defense--the issue was tort liability, i.e., was Briney responsible for Katko's injuries, and if so, how much was the liability worth in dollars. Without researching Iowa's criminal law, it can't be said that what Briney did was a crime.

Cary

This is very true. It's not even funny how much lethal defense against crimes in your home vary from state to state. They vary as substantially to you must run out your back door from the guy 30 feet away with a knife, to the guy stealing the car in your driveway is fair game, all depending on where you live. The consequences of acting inappropriately are severe.

May I suggest pepper spray for your trap? Bear spray works great, on both four and two legged predators.

SHoerton

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Chris C

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C

You can't go wrong with Lightspeed. Good performance and good value.
Their customer service is legendary... and I have used it on more than one occurence....

Sorry to hear a guy would steal from a fellow pilot. I get a warm fuzzy feeling walking past unsecured valuables around airplanes. it is a code of honor sort of thing with me.....

Found a pair of David Clarks being sold on Alaska's List. Doubt they are yours but it seemed a good price for the two.

http://alaskaslist.com/-3/posts/10_Tran ... _Sets.html