Dassault possibly manufacturing in China too:

http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/1793-full.html#203794

As I mentioned it will start to boom very shortly...Looks like Cirrus is going the way of TCM even though they deny it...

http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?cont ... 7bcea11bad

Confirmed: Cirrus is now Chinese also:
http://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/news/2011/02/28/cirrus-being-sold-to-chinese-company.html

While I hate to be accused again of making broad conclusions without insightful analysis, I think evidence is mounting that the Chinese have their sights on our aerospace industries...

If you can buy a complete one cheaper overseas, why build it yourself. Sounds like they are more American than Chinese but they'll never do that as good as we do.

A company in Bahrain had a majority stake in Cirrus. So now it has gone from being mideast owned to Asia owned.

This has been on the cards since mid December...

Most of the 'bizjets' manufactured in the near future will be going to China and with the airspace opening up there has to be a mini GA 'boom' as well

In HK there were hardly any bizjets a decade ago and now the parking area is bursting at the seams.

It's going to be a 'gold rush' and many Americans are here already, either selling aircraft or flying them... When you realise that a big casino company uses 747SPs to fly 'high rollers' from HK to Vegas and back almost every week it gives you some idea of the $$$ floating around China/SE Asia at the moment.

I'm trying to get as many agencies as possible.

The Chinese are in Pocatello also, they are involved in the huge poly silicon plant (raw material for solar panels) under construction, as they have bought up the first few years worth of production. They are not behind it, but are the biggest customers to sign contracts, which helped Hoku in finishing (very near to being done) construction. China is now the worlds largest producer of solar panels.

Given events of the past several months, I thought it would be interesting to revisit this topic, and in particular Zane's statement:

I think it is a bit obtuse to assume that a Chinese acquisition of TCM is motivated by a participatory interest in general aviation.

I think there's plenty of evidence now that the Chinese in fact DO have a participatory interest in GA. I think that would be a great thing if it didn't involve the raping of American engineering and manufacturing.

I'm afraid I blame all those who don't value quality and choose to buy their tools from Harbor Freight or Northern Tool. (Or plastic shit from Walmart...)

RDUStinson wrote:
I'm afraid I blame all those who don't value quality and choose to buy their tools from Harbor Freight or Northern Tool. (Or plastic shit from Walmart...)

I'll admit , I went into a Harbor...... I mean "China Freight" a few weeks ago and reluctantly purchased a propane torch. On my way back to our shop I stopped at a local hardware store and found a "USA Made" propane torch for just $10.00 more. I purchased it and returned the "China Made" torch back to "China Freight"

I'm not a huge Walmart.... I mean "Chinamart" fan neither.

Boeing sees China driving Asia aircraft demand
Updated: 2011-03-08 15:47

Boeing Co sealed two deals with Chinese airlines as the world's second-largest economy expects to order more than 2,000 aircraft over the next five years as demand for air services booms.

China expects to order 1,100 new transport aircraft and 1,000 general aviation aircraft in the next five years, Wang Changshun, vice minister of the Civil Aviation Administration of China, said at an Asian aerospace conference on Tuesday.

As air travel becomes more essential among China's increasingly wealthy population, Chinese airlines are keen to expand its fleet and bump up services to compete with regional players, such as Cathay Pacific.

"(The sector) will maintain a definite growth speed," Wang told reporters in Hong Kong on the sidelines of the conference.

Air China Ltd, the country's flagship carrier said it plans to purchase five Boeing 747-8 aircraft worth a list price of about $1.54 billion to expand its fleet.

In a separate deal, HNA Group, parent of Hainan Airlines Co Ltd, signed a deal with Boeing, the world's No 2 commercial plane maker after EADS subsidiary Airbus, to purchase 38 aircraft, including six 777s, and 32 787s.

China's purchases of aircraft will help drive overall demand in Asia Pacific, where average annual air traffic growth is expected to grow by 6.8 percent over the next 20 years, higher than the global pace, Boeing said.

Related readings:
Aviation firms look to take off in China
Aviation sector has high hopes for next 5 yrs
Boeing's reach is woven into China's aviation industry
China's air fleet to triple by 2030

Asia Pacific's demand for aircraft will likely form a significant portion of the demand from global airlines, which Boeing said would need 30,900 new passenger freighter aircraft by 2030, valued at $3.6 trillion.
However over the coming year, the outlook of the industry will be clouded by uncertainties in the global economy, such as high oil prices and weakening defense spending, analysts and industry executives said.

"This year will be a bit slower than last year the reason being is that most of the near term production capacity that we have available have already been sold," Marlin Dailey, executive vice president, sales & marketing commercial airplanes of Boeing, told a news conference.

"And so airlines is going to slow down a bit before they make those decisions because they are talking about airplane availability in the 2014/15 time frame," he said.


As my own op-ed here this Chinese/capitalism thing is also going to provide US jobs and finance development in this country too, as we consuming Americans continue to vote with and for our own pocketbooks in search of the lowest prices regardless of the source. That's how we got Wal-marts at every corner and the lowest cost foreign oil we can get. We vote with our pocketbooks.


Footnotes of sources as requested by Zane's attorney.
1. http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2 ... 136891.htm

RDUStinson wrote:I'm afraid I blame all those who don't value quality and choose to buy their tools from Harbor Freight or Northern Tool. (Or plastic shit from Walmart...)

Im afraid the picture is a lot bigger than that. How far up the supply chain do you go? Do you vette your American manufacturers to make sure they aren't using Chinese raw materials? You'll go nuts in this global economy trying to do that, because there's a little something from everywhere in everything. There's no easy answer, because some things simply aren't made in the US at all anymore.

Also, when you guys copy and paste news stories or editorials from other sites, please identify the source. I saw recently where there is some lawyer making a killing by suing website owners for copyright violations and plagiarism.

I just got back from Con Expo in Las Vegas (worlds largest construction/heavy equipment show, frigging huge, think Oshkosh type huge, but in Las Vegas) and the Chinese had a very large contingent, going head to head with Cat, Grove, and all other's. It was clear to me anyway that they are "here" to stay.

The mood at the Japanese crane maker Tadano display was a bit subdued, at least it seemed so. I bet they are going to be very slow in meeting future orders, at least for a while.

The Germans had the biggest display (Leibherr ? cranes) and the only 3 story (Cat had 2) building where the real wheeling and dealing (and drinking) went on. All this for a 5 day show, had to cost millions in setting up the displays, not to mention transporting fees!

This link is from AviationWeek.com.

Chinese Mull Another BizAv Buy

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=busav&id=news%2Fawx%2F2011%2F03%2F24%2Fawx_03_24_2011_p0-301615.xml&headline=Chinese+Mull+Another+BizAv+Buy

I don't get too wound up about where stuff comes from because thanks to the global economy stuff comes from everywhere. The debt issue however is alarming, just saw this ad a few days ago and it really drove home the point...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlkLhVo3PbY[/youtube]

http://www.castc.org.cn/ccar142/apply.asp

Looks more complex than the FAA. Good luck to them.

Zane wrote:http://www.castc.org.cn/ccar142/apply.asp

Looks more complex than the FAA. Good luck to them.

It's probably easier to read in characters