aktahoe1 wrote:

Which way is the flow on a spin-on filter? In other words, where is the evidence gonna be? I've had some peope tell me on the inside & others tell me the outside.

I was in Cabo for my 5th anniversary in August ,
and the place sucks!
Southern California is what it is now.
Costco-Wallmart and a friggin mall at the marina.

Check out the Baja brewpub though,at the entry to the marina,
kinda like your Fifty Fifty brewpub in trucked .
If you haven't been to Cabo,it might be cool,but
if you have,you won't like the changes.

Have fun,Chuck


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I agree with you Chuck but we actually have a place 50 miles north on a semi remote strip of sand

I spent 5 days in todos santos, very nice
Cerritos surf colony

I had the opportunity to finally meet one of our own "Chance" at the AIr Races last week. I knew that he had a piece of property north of Reno but had no idea how beautiful it was.

Chance has a very large chunk of property in paradise. Anyhow, I took off this morning with the mission to continue my break in on the new engine...so, I figured I would go north to see "Rymes" in Susanville and see if I could spot "Chances" ranch.

Long story short, I made a call to Chance as I flew over what I thought was his area. His wife answered and said "I just heard a plane fly by"...well... "that was me I said." She responded with "He is out in the grey Jeep and you may see him if you fly by."

I suddenly had a purpose. I was now looking for a grey jeep. Again, long story short, I found the grey jeep and a guy waiving at me. The wave was from Chance. I made a fly by around the jeep he was in and then watched him park in a manner that I knew was a landing spot. Well, I landed, had an opportunity to visit with him for a bit and then off I went.

It was great seeing you Chance! I am already looking forward to coming back!



Chances barn that was built when Lincoln was President


Driving back out to the field...he owns almost all of the land in this photo, except for the mountain in the distance


Big wings


1952 Willy's and a 1953 Skywagon


Sure is good to be flying again!!!

Left Chances place and did some stall work on my way back to the hanger. The wing does not stall...well, it buffets at around 40mph...Still had real good authority of the wings and rudder control. The set up just amazes me as I am now starting to sound like a broken record. I am wondering what the VG's will do...

I have read a lot about the Micro VG's on the Sportsman not being friendly. I cannot imagine the wing handling better than it is now but...I need to find out for myself. I can always take them off...It just feels like I have this huge stable platform out there. I was making slow turns (coordinated) and throwing in (uncoordinated) turns with a 30 degree bank with full control at 45-50. My stall horn goes off at 55. I ended up pulling the fuse as it was making me crazy.

Anyone out there have the WingX, Sportsman with VG experience? I will soon...

Off to Mexico in the am. Back Thursday...

AKT

AKT

Double sided sticky carpet tape works well for temp vg placement. The Micro template can be re-used a few times if you're careful. Just stick it (the template) down just enough to locate it. You Don't need full contact.

I'm looking forward to hear what you think about the vg's with the sportsman. It will help me decide wether or not I'll ever add them to the 170.

This has been an epic thread. I want a ride.

robw56 wrote:I'm looking forward to hear what you think about the vg's with the sportsman. It will help me decide wether or not I'll ever add them to the 170.

FWIW I was under-impressed when I ut VG's on the stock wing of my C150/150TD. "The improvements were very subtle" would be the polite way to put it. I'd really be unhappy if I'd spend $1400 plus paid for someone to install it-- luckily the C150 kit is only $700 & I did it myself & had a buddy do the paperwork cheap.

I too am not sold on the vgs with the sportsman I'm not sure I would do it again, there are situations were they are a improvement but the plane feels like it is staggering around now even with a light load.

I think I mentioned somewhere here that I really like this new wing...Its awesome!!!

So, just home from Mexico. Went down south for a week and almost had a really great time as the surf was good!! Ended up getting Monazuma's Revenge the last two days and my tail feathers still dont exactly feel correct 5 days later now...

My wife gets this photo credit


Saw a cactus


Saw some donkeys


Watched a guy paddle this lady around...


And then start sending her off waves...not into them, as she would crash violently when he did that...


Back to flying...Went down to Columbia this AM for the 170 fly in. Cool little grass strip...sort of anyway...seemed real hot, no water and everything was brown. Maybe it gets better...spent about 10 minutes there and then needed to go log some air time on the bird.

Saw this little Gem about 5 miles north of Columbia...I wonder who owns it??? Anyone? It needs to go on the "West circuit". Looks to be straight forward and fun


Not a lot of planes of there...thinking it was either early or hot....Did get to finally meet Buzz! I look forward to landing at "Delta International"


Bird Dog and a Cadet


And of course...


She is almost broke in...I am ready to fly when anyone would like. You could say its game on...Circuits are OPEN...Who wants to play? I am also ready to come a visit the "West" circuit now. Just say when...its officially flying season for me

In another 10 hours or so I will be thinking about trying the MT and doing my test on them both. I sure do like this Mac now. Anxious to see how the MT performs. Thinking I am going to wait on the VG's for awhile. Currently getting a Stall at around 38-40...with very good authority. I am going to change my warning indicator to at least 50 for now. Its blaring at 55 and I end up pulling the fuse as its just obnoxious.

One note, the old wing rolled quicker for certain. This new wing is an awesome platform but I do notice a slightly slower roll rate. Not much, but its there....Not that I was ever dodging trees or anything anyhow...but, something to think about. The bonus is how quick she lifts off and how slow she is allowing me to go. Not to mention the gross weight increase.

Thats all for now...

Who wants to fly...anytime, just let me know. I need to put some hours on this engine.

AKT

ME! Pick me pick me!!! I wanna fly. A bit of a journey for me to get out there, but I'd be up for a couple day trip this fall. Mid October or later would be ideal for me. I know there might be a few guys around here that might like to come. If you're offering of course...... Likewise you're sure welcome to head this way anytime and we can poke around these parts.

Wings and wheels fly in at Rio Vista coming up next weekend I think.

Too bad I go out of town and won't be back for a while, I'd fly with you. I won't be back till the 23rd or so.

Kevin providing I am home next weekend I can show you some of the circuit strips and we could drop into Rio Vista for a burger and check out wings and wheels.

I am looking at a Cessna 180H model from the late sixties that is pretty stock with a spartan interior, real basic back seats, smaller tires and a two-blade prop.The most recent W & B, calculated after some avionics work lists the empty weight as 1630 lb on this plane. Can anybody tell me if this is believable or not? I hear lots of reports of early 180s pushing the mid 1700s and later ones pushing the one ton mark. I have heard conflicting reports, some saying that the early fifties models are the light ones, and others saying that the H models are the lightest. AKTahoe's ship has some weight in mods with STOL kit, wing extension, big engine, three blade, bushwheels, etc... I could believe that these would add up to 150 + pounds.

http://www.risingup.com/planespecs/info/airplane269.shtml

This website does indicate 1525 lb for the H model. It's always a challenge to distinguish the marketing numbers from those that are measurable and repeatable. Has anyone here weighed a stock H-model?

Scolopax wrote:I am looking at a Cessna 180H model from the late sixties that is pretty stock with a spartan interior, real basic back seats, smaller tires and a two-blade prop.The most recent W & B, calculated after some avionics work lists the empty weight as 1630 lb on this plane. Can anybody tell me if this is believable or not? I hear lots of reports of early 180s pushing the mid 1700s and later ones pushing the one ton mark. I have heard conflicting reports, some saying that the early fifties models are the light ones, and others saying that the H models are the lightest. AKTahoe's ship has some weight in mods with STOL kit, wing extension, big engine, three blade, bushwheels, etc... I could believe that these would add up to 150 + pounds.

http://www.risingup.com/planespecs/info/airplane269.shtml

This website does indicate 1525 lb for the H model. It's always a challenge to distinguish the marketing numbers from those that are measurable and repeatable. Has anyone here weighed a stock H-model?

I think its very believable for certain. Would be interested to know if it was weighed with all unusable fluids. A stripped down 180 should weighed that much. The early models are hands down the lightest. This I know for certain.

Funny how many hear sayers there are as I continue to find out that most dont really fly their planes at that critical AOA, their aircraft are generally at least 100# more than they say, many weights are speculative and most folks really dont know I have learned. That also kinda sums up my own MT vs Mac research. I want to know for myself rather than 50 different opinions from 45 folks that only think what they say to know . Anyway, you didnt come for my short rant..

This is a great link if your looking at 180's..I refer to it often
http://www.skywagons.com/modelchgsweb.html

Lots of them out there. For what your sharing above, I am betting its around $55-$60K? or at least it should be.

AKT

No....

People laugh when I say ounces make pounds, but that's just the cold hard truth.

1953 That was the lightest 'year' period.... From day one things got added to the line, and just like our own physical bodies, these things just spent the next 30 years getting heavier. The single most important thing to remember is that virtually none of these birds are in the trim they left the factory in, and everything added to them after being built added weight.

150lbs? Kevin's bird probably does weigh more than the one your looking at, but it is probably weight spent in the right direction. On the other hand, Kevin's bird probably weighs a full 300 lbs. more than it did when it was built.Now whether that 300 lbs. is justified is really only up to one person... and he seems to be all smiles about it. I have seen several original W&B certificates from '53 models, including my own, and they all were in the 1515 - 1535 range, but I haven't seen any that are still in 'original' trim...

A 1600 lb H model is certainly doable, I even know of a '53 model that still weighs in under 1600 on bushweels and with a big motor / prop. But it takes attention to detail... and ounces...

Take care, Rob

Good information. Thanks!

AKTahoe, your 180 is super sweet by the way! You have chosen your mods wisely. I am definitely a believer in the Sportsman on the Cessna wing.

Rob, I know for certain that ounces equal pounds. You think you are adding 4 lbs and it turns out to be to 12 lbs, then you pull some heavy looking old stuff out to find that it weighed 1/4 lb.

I have referenced that link on the 180 model changes several occasions. Great stuff, but no considerable info on weights. The H model has a few features that I think are worth a few extra pounds. I must admit that the space in the cabin of a 6-window with light fiberglass interior panels feels much larger than the earlier models, which I am pretty in to. How much larger are the fuselages between early and late?