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Uphill landing strip technique?

Today I went to a grass strip, 1500ft.
The first 1000ft had a difference of 40ft, between the beginning and the 1000ft mark, after that the las 200 ft were flat.

Did 3 landings the first one I felt the ground came to me very quickly, landed fine but have to flare it full elevator aft, or else would have been a hard landing.
The other landings better with a bit of power at the flare.

What are the recommended technique for this kind of runways?
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Re: Uphill landing strip technique?

motoadve,

If I'd try to fly an approach to an uphill strip using the same sight picture I was taught when I got my license, the same thing would happen to me as happened to you. I'd feel like my approach was too high, would adjust accordingly, and then right before touchdown would realize I was actually too low and probably need power to stop the premature or hard landing.

The opposite would happen if I was landing downhill using this same site picture, I would feel I was too low - react accordingly, and actually end up landing long - which combined with downhill would undoubtedly result in a very unhappy ending to the flight.

What works best for me is to pick the spot on the strip that I want my wheels to touch, and fly to that spot, adjusting my descent as needed, ignoring the full runway site picture as determinant to my approach.

The flare happens pretty much automatically as I transition from approach flight to level flight (in relation to the runway pitch) since I'm essentially flaring to get level with the strip.

I just need to be sure I don't "fixate" on the landing spot. I still need to be aware of everything around me, including if an elk has suddenly stepped out further up the runway.

And I need excellent speed and throttle management. No room for me to be sloppy here.

Especially on a strip like Cabin Creek in Idaho.
Oneway
Uphill
Curving
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Exposed railroad ties perpendicular to the strip to control erosion

This is what I do and it works for me. YMMV.

Note: If you are unfamiliar with spot landing I'd recommend practicing and getting comfortable on a flat strip first, before trying it on an uphill or downhill strip.

Hope this is of some value. Cheers.

The Turnaround at the top of Cabin Creek, ID
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Thanks for the info.
Here is landing 3.

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Re: Uphill landing strip technique?

If there were railroad ties laying across the Cabin Creek strip i wouldn't land! :shock: They're just rubber strips :wink:
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Re: Uphill landing strip technique?

robw56 wrote:If there were railroad ties laying across the Cabin Creek strip i wouldn't land! :shock: They're just rubber strips :wink:


Rubber huh. They so reminded me of the railroad ties used to control erosion on the jeep trails I frequented as a kid (instead of attending class) that I figured they were the same thing. BTW, the ties were nearly fully buried, maybe just an inch exposed, looked very similar, assuming 40 years hasn't clouded my memory. :(
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Re: Uphill landing strip technique?

When you land a steep up slope, like Mile Hi, ID, it is important to carry enough energy for the round out and flare. If you arrive with too little energy, perfect timing of the round out and flare is much more critical with the risk that as you pull the nose up the aircraft will mush into the ground resulting in a hard landing. Carrying a little more energy in an uphill landing doesn't obviate the need for good timing and technique, but it does make it easier!

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Re: Uphill landing strip technique?

Would you use the same technique on floats?
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Re: Uphill landing strip technique?

NimpoCub

You are way the heck braver than most pilots I know! :D

Uphill water landings? Huge ocean swells or stretches between class 4 rapids??

Sadly, I haven't flown floats yet - - on my bucket list though,

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Re: Uphill landing strip technique?

JK of course.
Do you know Frank Cherne down there? He has one of his homes in Minden.
He used to have a Scout here on Nimpo.
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Re: Uphill landing strip technique?

I know some Franks, but probably not the right one.

There are a couple of Grumman Gooses (Geese?) based at Minden, along with an amphib turbine, as well as a round engine Beaver, and a couple of 206's on floats too (one of which I don't ever recall seeing move from its tie-down). Just not a whole lot of opportunity for float flying in the high desert - - Lake Tahoe excepting of course.

Thought about floats for my Husky, but $50K+ for new amphibs is a bunch for what admittedly would be seldom used.

I love where I live, but damn I'd like to be in AK or MN - - somewhere with lakes!

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Re: Uphill landing strip technique?

I've been fooling around with uphill landings a bit,

As mentioned, a little extra energy (speed) than you would flat landing.
Flare with a lot of power, idea is to match your trajectory to gradually meet the rising slope (duh!) timing is everything here though, done right, feels pretty cool - makes for a pretty short landing too
Done wrong - tune your radio to 121.5 to check your ELT :oops:
Sounds like you are talking about mild slope but same principal applies.

Here's a vid of a fun spot I found recently, fairly steep with cool downhill takeoff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sujM3_iMqMA
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Re: Uphill landing strip technique?

Dang SB, great video and flyin!
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