Just be honest, sucked, decent why , what to do.
I use this runway to practice short field.(I know is long but like the approach)
I wasnt to satisfied with the landing, could have come a bit higher and slower, this approach was at 65mph.
Cessna 182 P , Horton and VGs

geez, I still can't get past the bug at 1:29. Thought the windshield was gonna let go for a sec...

Well, first of all, you need to warn your viewers that you will be landing on some drier ground past all of the mud. There was quite a bit of pucker factor while you were flying over that swampy ground. I was really anticipating a nose-over in the glop!

I have a couple of comments. First and foremost: if you're practicing short-field technique, then you need to practice touching down at the threshold. I don't know exactly where the threshold was on your landing location, but I'd say you overshot it by almost a hundred yards.

The landing itself looked pretty smooth.

For a soft field like that, I was expecting to see the nose come down farther down the field. It looked to me like a pretty flat landing. I would have had the yoke pulled all the way back into my lap at touchdown and held it there during the roll out. That minimizes the weight on the nose gear until you get slowed down, which is important on soft ground. It also gives you more weight on the mains for better braking control. As your speed decreases, then your nose will come down, unless you give it some throttle to increase your elevator effectiveness. You might have been doing that, I couldn't tell from the video.

How were you using the flaps? The glide slope looked about right for a normal runway. I would have expected a full flap landing for short-field practice and that a steeper glide slope would have resulted from full flaps.

Thanks for the advice.
I flew over the threshold on purpose so didnt risk any mud.Becasue the beginning of the runway was a bit muddy too.
I was coming in with full flaps.

At the end I gave it some throttle because the plane was sinking, was doing slow speed but flat and no room for pushing the nose down to gain more speed.

In all my landings only a couple of time I have been able to pull the yoke all the way.
Was the trick to it? flare a bit higher?
Good advice of keeping the yoke pulled during the rollout.

Final was not very long, if you see I corrected to the left to align the runway, wasnt well planned I think.

My comments will no doubt create some controversy... but here goes. I could not see the flap position after landing... but I leave them down. Most pilots have been taught to raise them right away. Weight on wheels etc.
I find the tremendous drag of full flaps slows me faster than raising them and jamming the brakes. Fire away guys!!!

I like to keep full flaps down when I can. Helps with doing wheelies down the runway and keeps my nose wheel off the ground, too

flightlogic wrote:My comments will no doubt create some controversy... but here goes. I could not see the flap position after landing... but I leave them down. Most pilots have been taught to raise them right away. Weight on wheels etc.
I find the tremendous drag of full flaps slows me faster than raising them and jamming the brakes. Fire away guys!!!

I'll have to try that, I always dump & pump and get turned off the first turn off.

My advanced aeronautical theory (read: complete BS... with no formal training)
Says the following: If you did it right... that wing is done flying. It might as well create drag to help slow you down. It should not be producing any significant lift after I am done with a short field landing. (notwithstanding a gust of wind that might come along... but that's another story). So, the old "get more weight on the wheels... just doesn't seem to be my experience out in the real world."
Try it out a bit and see what you learn. Cheers.

FWIW, my '56 182 has VG's and flap gap seals and 65 mph over the fence would be waaaaaay too fast. However, before you try anything slower than 65 mph, you'll need to climb to a safe altitude and methodically profile your airplane so you'll know exactly what it's going to do at any given airspeed, weight, etc.

Did you walk away? That's a good landing.

Can you use the plane again? That's a great landing.

I fly my final at 50kts IAS,rock solid. '56 180,Sportsman/VG's

Gary

Pat

When I pull the flaps, it raises the tail. I would think wheelies would be better/easier w/o flaps ???

dprathe what is the stall speed of your 182?
and what speed you get at slow flight?
I know older 182s like yours are better STOL planes , is it because is lighter?

Mine do slow flight with full flaps at 40mph,IAS with stall horn screaming but not loosing altitude (2 people on board, half full fuel)

So the way is to practice slow flight full flaps like when landing but at high elevation then?

shortfielder wrote:
Pat

When I pull the flaps, it raises the tail. I would think wheelies would be better/easier w/o flaps ???

Hmm.......I'll try without flaps next time.

Looked good to me. You might try a little less throttle and more angle of attack. I like to hear the stall warning right as I flare. That way you know your not going to float. That is unless your headed to the restroom then no flaps, more throttle

Just a thought here about stall horns. Atleast some are adjustable, so not all horns are tellin ya the same thing.
When I did my mods, I readjusted the horn so it went off where I wanted it to.

good approach and landing! i like to have my speed,man press, and rpm pre set on a 5 deg. approach...in my 182 w same stol stuff as yours, diff motor, it is 58 speed,12 in mp,and 1600 rpm...done right has a roll out of 3-400'...most of the b/c cfi's are masters at this type of approach...master i am NOT! my fuel is usually at 40-45 gal, and no back seat...for my bird those last 2 items helped the most. doing the flying B, lower loon and such, i like to be light as possible...jo

It's a nice landing. In my opinion there is room to be slower and shorter.
But hey there almost always is.

I was going to mention this earlier. What you should do is have someone video your take offs and landing from ground level as close to the runway as possible (best off at a not so busy airstrip). Then you can get a much better idea what your doing and what you need to improve on. Set up some cones every 50 or 100 feet, too. Maybe that will give you better idea how short your landing and come to a complete stop (same with taking off).

I've been wanting to do that myself at Hubler Field, but I don't have any friends to video tape my landings and take offs I guess I can use a tripod

58Skylane wrote:I was going to mention this earlier. What you should do is have someone video your take offs and landing from ground level as close to the runway as possible (best off at a not so busy airstrip). Then you can get a much better idea what your doing and what you need to improve on. Set up some cones every 50 or 100 feet, too. Maybe that will give you better idea how short your landing and come to a complete stop (same with taking off).

I've been wanting to do that myself at Hubler Field, but I don't have any friends to video tape my landings and take offs I guess I can use a tripod

58Skylane...I've had someone video my landings for years....how it feels in the cockpit and what it looks like on the ground can be way different...I think it has helped improve my landings..especially the short field landings. I still go back and look at them every now and then and I remember how they felt..something to do on a cold, snowy day!

Short field lz's I spend a lot of time hanging on the prop to get a spot landing. Are you picking an exact spot to touch down? Go out and mark it with something and walk off your distance to stop. With those mods in zero wind you should be stopping in at very least 600-800 feet if not better.

I concur..I expected to see the nose come up once on the ground or if you were full flaps coming in I would expect to see a steeper approach. If you were low and hanging on the prop the nose would come up a bit. Seemed level the whole way in on your approach.

I keep my flaps down as well to increase drag on the ground...in no wind conditions. Yes it brings the tail up and wants to lift off but again this really depends on the wind conditions I think. You already at a slow speed so you should be able to keep it on the ground. No wind,leave them down, increase your drag and stop. Windy, I would bring them up for certain. In both cases, the yoke should be in your lap. Stall horn should start sounding around 50Kias. Seems like you were fast. Stall horn is only a warning. Only heard it beep maybe... It should be close to blaring if your landing on a short field or at least bumping through the buzz. 65Kias your rolling at least 1000 feet. Thats not short.

Try hanging on the prop, flaps down (40), and hit your mark. Then once your down, set flaps to (20) maximum performance TO. I like to practice as if every take off is short and soft...even on the pavement with a 7000 ft runway. The sooner your up the more options you have to land I have always thought.

Beautiful country...