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What ever happened to "Spade Style" Control Sticks?

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What ever happened to "Spade Style" Control Sticks?

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Whatever happened to the “Spade Style" control stick that was ever popular in many WWII aircraft and after the war as well.

As was pointed out in the discussion on another website forum (link below) there are some definite ergonomic advantages. As one fellow noted:

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The ring grip at the top of the stick has some ergonomic advantages - You can grip it palm up, palm down, or in between, and with either hand or both if need be. The Brits used it in combat aircraft in WWI through WWII and into the jet age...
I know Zenith has a sort remotely similar Y stick in their side by side airplanes like the 701/750/801. The Spade Style stick might appeal to side by side as well as a tandem configuration.

Great Discussion:
http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com/forums/hangar-flying/2388-control-sticks-columns.html

Image – Spade Stick British Spitfire
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Image – Spade Stick Russian Aircraft
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Image – Spade Stick British Spitfire
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Image – Spade Stick British Seafury
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So, imagine yourself flying along in your Experimental. It seems a Spade Stick configuration might be quite an ergonomic option if there is enough room in the cockpit. I wonder why they are basically extinct ? Too expensive to manufacture? Out of fashion? More of a "European thing" like Russian props that swing in the other direction? Anyone...??? I'm just curious.
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Re: What ever happened to "Spade Style" Control Sticks?

That beautiful Red Wilga at HSF had 'em.
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@ CFOT:

Wow. Indeed .

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Re: What ever happened to "Spade Style" Control Sticks?

It's a little bulky looking. Simple stick is my gig, and I wouldn't change it on my ship.

Note: the Scout's control stick is so light on the control surfaces, The spade would make it top heavy.
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8GCBC said:

It's a little bulky looking.
I 100 % agree re the Wilga Spade Stick. It looks way bulky.

But if I could have a thinner carbon fiber, leather-wrapped Spade Stick like on those WWII Spitfires I might be tempted. I always liked the thinner steering columns on older American cars, vs the thick bulky ones we now have.

Look at the thin steering wheel on a 1963 Jag XKE for example and you get the idea. Thin "is in" IMHO.

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It seems mounting buttons, hats, and whatever on a thin Spade Stick would be a piece of cake since there is more real estate.
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I always thought they kind of looked like some sort of kinky pilot receptacle.

I'm of the mind that all joy comes through a true "stick."
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I once flew an old spray plane with one of those sticks. I thought one of the earlier pilots had had an artificial arm with the metal scissor grip.
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Re: What ever happened to "Spade Style" Control Sticks?

I found the "Y" type I have on my Zenith 750 very comfortable, a natural angle of the hand for me vs rotated vertical. I have a the stick switches mounted so they face me, reason being that when others fly my plane they can plainly see the switch labels, i.e. trim, AP, etc. Zenith does offer dual sticks, but with the center mount "Y" it eliminates climbing over the sticks, etc, and most that have tried it prefer it.

The spade always made good sense to me, one explanation given that when you naturally extend you arm out, your most natural and comfortable position of your hand is rotated at an angle. The downside would be the little fingertip control you would lose on some aircraft.


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I think (just assumption, I'd have to do a bit of research to validate this opinion.) that those grips were designed to allow 2-handed operation to overcome aerodynamic forces in the age of no hydraulics or low-pressure hydraulics during relatively high airspeed, high G dogfighting.

I think the cruising ergonomics were an unintended byproduct.
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CamTom12 wrote:I think (just assumption, I'd have to do a bit of research to validate this opinion.) that those grips were designed to allow 2-handed operation to overcome aerodynamic forces in the age of no hydraulics or low-pressure hydraulics during relatively high airspeed, high G dogfighting.

I think the cruising ergonomics were an unintended byproduct.


That makes the most sense to me. Especially if the aircraft was damaged. I'm sure there were times when "Man Handling" an aircraft saved some lives in real combat.
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CamTom12 wrote:I think (just assumption, I'd have to do a bit of research to validate this opinion.) that those grips were designed to allow 2-handed operation to overcome aerodynamic forces in the age of no hydraulics or low-pressure hydraulics during relatively high airspeed, high G dogfighting.

I think the cruising ergonomics were an unintended byproduct.


Thats a good point. You always see those old war movies where the pilot is trying to pull out of a dive and standing on the dashboard. I guess us civilian joes not dive bombing wouldn't have to "combat" that in a normal situation.
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Crzyivan13 wrote:us civilian joes not dive bombing wouldn't have to "combat" that in a normal situation.


Very punny!! yuk yuk yuk! :D :D
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Crzyivan13 wrote:us civilian joes not dive bombing wouldn't have to "combat" that in a normal situation.


Very punny!! yuk yuk yuk! :D :D


See what I did there.... =D> =D> #-o
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Re: What ever happened to "Spade Style" Control Sticks?

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While I was reading about these largely British Spade Control sticks, I came across the tale of a WWII British glider pilot. He talked about the minimal instrumentation in the RAF gliders, and that they were also equipped with Spade Style control sticks.

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These are all very sensible reasons for having a spade grip in a fighter. So answer me this, why did the Hotspur glider have one?

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Hotspur Glider with Spade Style Control Stick
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WAR EXPERIENCES OF A GLIDER PILOT — Part 1
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My name is Ron Willcox and I am now 83 years old.
I was a glider pilot during the war. The training glider was called a Hotspur.
There wasn’t a lot of room to sit and if you were a big man it was quite difficult to get in, and you would have to sit with your knees bent all the time. It’s rather like a ‘go kart’. We had a speed indicator which was the main instrument that you needed, and we also had an altimeter.


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These are all very sensible reasons for having a spade grip in a fighter. So answer me this, why did the Hotspur glider have one? Ergonomics amongst other things. Early MkI/II's had a straight vertical stick and rudder bars fitted and had no adjustment spare a somewhat moveable seat back. However on more than one occasion the seat back collapsed during approach causing some hairy and sometimes fatal landings. Modifications added rudder pedals on slides which could be adjusted for leg length and the vertical stick was replaced with a curved model with the spade grip on the end which curved back toward the pilot. This reduced the need to hold your arm out so straight to fly which relieved some strain on long cross-country flights. The result of the stick being nearer the pilot necessitated the spade grip so that it could be held at a more relaxed angle and not require you to bend the wrist the wrist so much. A side effect of the curved spade grip stick mod was that it solved problems with the straight stick getting jammed. When performing a "sporty" dive approach pushing the stick all the way forward pushed it behind the edge of the instrument panel. If it was moved to the side at all the top of the stick would get stuck behind the panel and you couldn't pull it back. Negative "G" plus a somewhat panicked pilot let to a few accidents. With the curved stick having the top further back it never reached the panel when pushed fully forward.
Link: http://www.pprune.org/archive/index.php/t-401702.html

It seems the ring style arrangement offers ergonomics and an efficient means to give the control a massive heave ho if needed. They certainly look different
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Having a little bit of experience with Wilgas... That spade stick in the Wilga 2000 is really sexy. Feels great!
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Re: What ever happened to "Spade Style" Control Sticks?

Guess I'll just stick with the yoke in my airplane. It's about the same size as a spade stick, with nothing to trip over. :)

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