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Winter Layers Question

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StuBob wrote:There's Merino and there's Merino.

How much merino does it take to eliminate the bad fire effects of polypropylene? 50% Merino is warm and wears well. 100% is expensive and isn't very abrasion resistant, so it wears out a lot faster. It's possible to buy 90% and others.

Does 50/50 merino/poly burn more like merino, or more like poly?


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The more merino the better. Why would you want poly at all? I live near the coast now, but I grew up inland where we regularly see minus 40 and below (It's the same in C anf F). I often travel inland to hike, and I do off trail running year round, as well as nordic and backcountry skiing. I have owned wool/wynth mixed garments, but except for when it's warm-ish or you are being very active, then there is no upside to synthetics. When it dips below freezing, all synthetic inner layers are put away. My favorite for versatility, is a wool mesh set i got. Under a windbreaker it breathes like nothing else, put it under a medium sweater and a shell jacket and it will stay very warm.

Syntehtics is much much worse at retaining warmth, will stink much faster, and even thought the fabric itself can be more durable, the seams are often weaker. And it is crazy static! It is xcellent in warm weather and when you can chuck it in a washing machine afterwards. I think the main reason it is widely used in blends, is because it is cheap.

What makes wool so warm, is it's natural ability to not hold water. Nothing synthetic has been able to replicate that. If you manage to keep synthetics dry, sure it will be warm. But your body always generate moisture. When it dries and all the gunk sticks to synthetics, it will stink. It will just fall off wool like dust and not stick. Good wool can be aired and be almost like newly washed.

I wore (thin) wool boxers even when sailing in the Caribbean...
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The U.S Army very much agrees with you. I bet your Army does too.
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Indeed! Usually «military spec» only means it meets the lowest criteria and made by the lowest bidder. But when it comes to wool, norwegian army surplus is not half bad. The difficult thing about buying merino, is that it seems to me that you pay for mostly for comfort, wich means it is of a very fine quality and has been treated in way that makes it less good at staying warm. I have limited experience with the brands avaliable in the US, but have had a few garments from Smartwool, Patagonia and Icebreaker. They are pricey and not bad, but not what I reach for when I am going to stay outside for a few days in the winter. So be aware that for pure functionality, some of the slightly cheaper stuff might be better because it is a little more coarse. We are still talking merino here, and what most people would not describe as itchy.

The thing about not holding water means that it does not create a thermal bridge. It is always smart to stay dry when cold, but it is almost impossible if you are doing any kind of activity. Wool can hold a lot of humidity without forming a thermal bridge or really feeling wet. You dont want the wicking properties of synthetics when it is cold. The moisture will take a lot of heat with it when it leaves. In warm climates and for sports, then synthetics is pretty good. When it is cold, wear wool and move slow.

On a side note, merino is fantastic for not being itchy, but that itchy stuff is better when the name of the game is staying warm. When I grew up, merino was not avaliable here, so I had knitted undies, long johns and shirts. I hated it, but can deny how well it worked.

I love the cold. There is always a way to deal with it, and it can be really cozy. There is so little you can do when it gets really warm (that I know of…)
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The Army method was two pair of socks per man. One pair on feet and the other, now slightly damp pair, around the neck. Wool dries faster than anything I know. My broken back and stretched gangula left me with less feeling in my legs and my feet are always cold. I wear wool socks day and night year round.
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PIT ZIPs! I think your top layer is one of the most crucial pieces of equipment you can leave home with. If you are moving, you will be sweating. I believe all of the vent zippers you can get are invaluable. Full side zip pants, chest vent and pit zips. Easy to open and close to adjust for your btu output!
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