Unfortunately my home airspace isn’t one of those places.

MTV

mtv wrote:

Cary wrote:And of course, I can fly into any airspace in the country, without having to seek advance permission other than "cleared into Class B".

There are lots of benefits, once you get rid of the paranoia.

Cary

Cary,
I'll agree with you regards the paranoia factor.

But, I have no idea why ANY backcountry aviator would fly at those nose bleed altitudes..... And, there are SIX, count em, SIX GBTs in the state of Montana. How do you spell useless....

Oh, yeah, and if you actually believe that you "can fly into any airspace in the country, without having to seek advance permission other than "cleared into Class B" you need a flight review..... Lots of airspace out there that doesn't give a good crap whether you have ADS-whatever or not.

MTV

Yeah, you're right. Active "hot" MOAs, military airfields, restricted areas, TFRs, etc. I was thinking more of the alphabet airspaces when I wrote that. Mea culpa--age does that.

As for "nose bleed altitudes", when I'm going someplace far away, I prefer them--although as I've aged, I need oxygen at lower altitudes than I did. So if I'm going to fly over 10,500', I'll be on oxygen, which I don't enjoy. Thus I'll more typically fly below my personal oxygen-need level. Higher is usually smoother, sometimes faster, especially eastbound. When I'm flying for fun or going places in the mountains, I'm much closer to the terrain.

Actually nose bleed altitudes aren't required in most areas of the country--sorry that Montana is an orphan. We have the luxury of a plethora of ground based transmitters here in Colorado, so that ADS-B coverage is quite good at 1500' AGL, and of course, in the more populated areas of the country, ADS-B coverage is nearly 100% at 1500' AGL.

Cary

Cary wrote:
Yeah, you're right. Active "hot" MOAs, military airfields, restricted areas, TFRs, etc. I was thinking more of the alphabet airspaces when I wrote that. Mea culpa--age does that.

You can always fly into MOA's, hot or cold, no permission required ever. However ADS-B does nothing to get you into any of the towered airspaces - B, C, or D other than meeting one of the equipment requirements of B and C.

asa wrote:

Cary wrote:
Yeah, you're right. Active "hot" MOAs, military airfields, restricted areas, TFRs, etc. I was thinking more of the alphabet airspaces when I wrote that. Mea culpa--age does that.

You can always fly into MOA's, hot or cold, no permission required ever. However ADS-B does nothing to get you into any of the towered airspaces - B, C, or D other than meeting one of the equipment requirements of B and C.

Gawrsh, you mean I still have to call Approach and/or Tower? Never thought of that!

Cary

mtv wrote:

In Canada if its installed in the plane it must be on, regardless of airspace.[/quote]

Same in the US. If installed, it must be on at all times in flight. Even in Golf airspace.

MTV[/quote]

What's the reference, becuase that's not what CFR 91.215 says. If there's a different requirement I want to ensure I've got the regs straight. Thanks.

fredy wrote:What's the reference, becuase that's not what CFR 91.215 says. If there's a different requirement I want to ensure I've got the regs straight. Thanks.

Try:
Title 14: Aeronautics and Space
PART 91—GENERAL OPERATING AND FLIGHT RULES
Subpart C—Equipment, Instrument, and Certificate Requirements

§91.225 Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast (ADS-B) Out equipment and use.
...
(f) Each person operating an aircraft equipped with ADS-B Out must operate this equipment in the transmit mode at all times.

iPat wrote:

fredy wrote:What's the reference, becuase that's not what CFR 91.215 says. If there's a different requirement I want to ensure I've got the regs straight. Thanks.

Try:
Title 14: Aeronautics and Space
PART 91—GENERAL OPERATING AND FLIGHT RULES
Subpart C—Equipment, Instrument, and Certificate Requirements

§91.225 Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast (ADS-B) Out equipment and use.
...
(f) Each person operating an aircraft equipped with ADS-B Out must operate this equipment in the transmit mode at all times.

After re-reading this thread, I think Fredy was referring to transponders, and I was referring to ADS-B. Transponders are not required to be on in Class G airspace.

My bad.

MTV

My question is can they see me at 200' AGL if I have no electronic devices?

I talked at length the other day with Cassidy from Pacific Coast Avionics/Oregon and felt he was very up too speed and helpful. I came away thinking that I would probly swap my 796 Garmin for an ipad and go to the Appareo Stratus transponder with GDL39 for my VFR flying. Seemed like it would give me a good reliable bang for the buck.

Can they see you at low altitude? Depends on who is looking. Military radar nowadays does not rely on an actual return like in WWII. It uses a system called AMTI (Airborne Moving Target Indicator). It does not rely on the return, but rather returns with a doppler shift from movement. So you should qualify your question on whether your moving. If your not moving, no, nobody will see you, if your moving, yes, can see you quite well. So like the T Rex in Jurassic Park, "stand still tit can't see you." Of course that isn't true, they (T-Rex) could see you, but radar, will not. ADS-B is a bit different, it sends out pulses upon interrogation and also just on a regular basis with position and vector information. These can be received by a traditional RADAR's multiplex unit, but also it can be received by simple radio towers. They are line of sight and are placed seemingly randomly at the moment.

When I was test flying the E2, we had 6 hours of gas and the crews would need to practice the stuff they did in the back to stay up on it. So we would occasionally offer up our radar to the customs net. I had to do the intercept myself and customs didn't have an asset ready that time. I joined up on a Piper Chieftain who was throwing himself around at 100' thinking he was invisible. He did't notice this giant weird aircraft 18' off his wing for a bit then, saw me and started to try to evade. Yeah, good luck with that. So I came up on guard and told him to calm down and follow me to El Centro, or I'll turn the RADAR back on and good luck with having any kids, or any white blood cells for that matter. He followed.

MTV

dogpilot wrote: So like the T Rex in Jurassic Park, "stand still tit can't see you." Of course that isn't true, they (T-Rex) could see you

Gonna need a reference on that.

I say, if on initial contact with the Rex you were not moving, then he may not see you. Unless you are on an open field, then he may notice.

I was flying pipeline 11 Sep 01 and was called down by cell phone. Some crop dusters were caught out by the big round radar antennas on military aircraft, I assume.

-0-

MTV

MTV,
For someone who took a paycheck from the government for most of his life, you sure are starting to sound like a criminal looking to not be caught by that same government.

This thread is turning into preppers/conspiracy theory..blah..blah..blah

There, cleaned up your thread.

MTV