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andy wrote:CMOS image sensors are used in most video cameras due to their low cost and low power consumption. They use the "rolling shutter" method of reading the charge off each pixel on the sensor, which allows the image to change during the read operation. Some new image sensors, such as InVisage (http://www.invisageinc.com/page.aspx?cont=QuantumShutter), use a different method that captures the state of all pixels on the image sensor at one instant and then reads it while it is unchanged. This eliminates rolling shutter artifacts such as curved props. I think all of the current action cameras use the older rolling shutter approach. If you're thinking of buying one that has the newer technology, you'll have to wait a year or two. Higher frame rates like 60 FPS help since each scan of the image sensor takes a shorter amount of time: .017 seconds instead of .033 seconds. During that time, the prop moves less distance and the image is less curved. The downside of the faster frame rate is larger file size and less recording time available for a given memory module size. At 1280x720p resolution each frame contains 921,600 pixels each with 24-bits of color information which are being stored on the memory card at a frame rate of 24, 30 or 60 frames per second. Battery charge usually is more of a limiting factor than memory module size on an action camera, so a 60 FPS frame rate is the best choice for least image distortion. The cameras automatically create separate video files every 3.6GB but it takes longer to view and edit larger files.


So is this difference between new vs. old technology why my Sony Cybershot does not have have any problem with prop bending but cameras like the Drift do?

I'm trying to learn about all this and this has all been good info. Thanks.
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So is this difference between new vs. old technology why my Sony Cybershot does not have have any problem with prop bending but cameras like the Drift do?

I'm trying to learn about all this and this has all been good info. Thanks.


Yes and the way to fix it is with a neutral density filter which probably isn't available from the manufacturer so you have to cobble one up.
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Last week MHG was a little short staffed, so I went out and flew the towplane for the day. Getting back in that PA-25-260 was sure fun.

I had fun playing with a few different angles, front-forward, front-back, top-back, side-back (all with the drift suction cup mount).


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That's pretty cool Matt, I've been wondering how the drift suction cup mount will hold up on the side of an airplane. Looks like I might have to get one now! Have you ever had any problems with it coming loose? do you use a tether?
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Rob, for $20 (myPOV360.com) the suction cup works amazingly well and comes it handy for times your not flying your plane.

I do put a tether on it some times if I question how the seal it, but most of the time I do not (I was flying over Boulder in this video). It has come loose once, when it was on top of the pawnee, but I knew it wasn't the best seal as the paint was chipped and cracked. Once it let go, it just hung there until I was finished with the tow (it doesn't bang around).
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TomD wrote:Quick question

The HD 170 Stealth saves the video files in .mov format; however, the XP movie maker does not recognize .mov.

How are you handing this? Just change the .mov to .mpg or .mpg4?

Tom


I was trying to use the XP version of movie maker in Win 7 and just couldn't get things to work right. Once I switched to the Win 7 version of MM, it worked a lot better.

I tried converting mov to AVI using a freeware program called Pazera. You might try it if you are using XP. I suspect the problems I was having had more to do with running under Win 7.

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For those of you with a Drift camera, I'd recommend taking a few minutes to do a firmware update.
http://driftinnovation.com/drift-firmware/

I just did mine and thought I would pass it along.
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Grassstrippilot wrote: So is this difference between new vs. old technology why my Sony Cybershot does not have have any problem with prop bending but cameras like the Drift do?

I'm trying to learn about all this and this has all been good info. Thanks.


That's exactly my question. :?: :?: My old Samsung SC-DC164 (which shoots 640/480 30FPS) almost never shows the prop artifacts. I have a couple of newer Canon cameras as well as my cell phone (Samsung Focus) and they all show the prop. The phone is the worst.

The problem with my old Samsung Digital Camcorder is that the auto focus "hunts". I think it wants to focus on the prop or ?? I can turn off auto focus and focus on infinity and that works pretty good but the images are obviously degraded. I borrowed a GoPro and sure enough the prop is there. The quality is much better with the 12MP Canon than the GoPro (5MP). The GoPro 2 is probably better.
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OK a dilemma on the Drift POV's.

I can buy a Drift HD 170 Stealth these days for $169 on Amazon.

The new Drift HD is over $300.

I've read all the threads on the Drift and I want one but I want to be sure I'm making the right decision on which. Is the only real difference between the two the smaller size of the Drift HD? I'm just not familiar enough with the Stealth to know. I would much prefer the hard waterproof case of the smaller version...this would seem to easily enable adding the filter that apparently is needed to get rid of prop artifacts. I'm not sure that a replaceable lens and a 9mp pic matter. I don't even know what a 9mp pic is :( ...and how that compares to the Stealth. I don't want to be cheap and in 6 mos wish I had gotten the other camera.

Can anyone offer any insite?? I have been unable to find anything that compares the two cameras :cry:

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If you can get a Drift HD170 Stealth for $170, I can not think of a rational reason to buy the new version. Overall, it's the same camera and you gain nothing huge over the Stealth for the extra $150.

The Stealth is a heck of a camera, and the HD is just that much better.
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Great review, thanks Matt!
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theclymb.com has the new Drift HD for $240. You have to be a member to buy, but membership is free and anyone can join.

http://www.theclymb.com/home
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The Drift HD is now $215 on Amazon.
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Even better...just to be clear though, the one at theclymb.com is the new smaller model, not the HD170.
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260Driver wrote:theclymb.com has the new Drift HD for $240. You have to be a member to buy, but membership is free and anyone can join.

http://www.theclymb.com/home


Hot Dang that's a good fine. Was $370, now $240. $12 batteries too. The last thing I need is another Drift, but these cameras are just too cool!
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Tell me about it! At that price I may have to grab one...
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Umm, the Drift HD is available at several outlets for $130-$150. I got a second one 2 1/2 weeks ago, *with an extra battery*, for $186 *including shipping*. Looking now, it appears they have raised the price to $169 for the cam alone (B&H Photo).
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Re: Drift HD170 Camera - My review from a pilots perspective

I saw the Drift HD170 on Amazon for $169 too.

I don't remember if this was asked, but how does it do with the cold? I have one of the ATC cams and it seemed like in really cold temps, it would shut off while in flight.
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The Drift does good in cold. I shot some video today at Leadville CO, and it was a whopping 6°F on the ground and -10°F at altitude. I was able to film the entire flight home (1hr15min) on a battery with it hanging off the wing strut in the wind.
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