Skalywag wrote:Good catch Cam! Nobody ever gets it, thanks [emoji106]

Kinda like a Cessna 196?

M6RV6 wrote:

Skalywag wrote:Good catch Cam! Nobody ever gets it, thanks [emoji106]

Kinda like a Cessna 196?

I had to search to figure out what that was!

Skalywag wrote:

This photo really shows what the Sportsman cuff does to the wing design!
The illustration on this webpage shows the big difference between the Sportsman kit & the other STOL cuffs, compared to the stock wing profile.
http://www.steneaviation.com/sportsman_ ... menuID=7~7

Here's a few more Hotrod, it's a big change from stock wing. Obviously the Horton is already removed and stock wing exposed. Big difference over Horton as well but don't have any good photos showin that.

CamTom12 wrote:

M6RV6 wrote:

Skalywag wrote:Good catch Cam! Nobody ever gets it, thanks [emoji106]

Kinda like a Cessna 196?

I had to search to figure out what that was!

Nose heavy 195! 2 more cyld's & 50% more HP!:mrgreen:

So when you remove the Horton and put on the Sportsman are all the old rivet holes covered up or reused at all? Any evidence the Horton was ever on the wing?

Thanks for all the info - I did a generic Google search and didn't get much. The guy that has the 182 hasn't emailed me back, but I could see how I could be talked into a trike with some of the input here. Maybe even do the conversion later on like Luke... Those stripped interiors on the "182 Diet Plan" thread look incredibly functional and save a bunch of weight.

The guy that is supposed to be my TW instructor is supposed to call today - but we'll see how that plays out...

Are there any recommendations for an installer in Texas if I went that direction?

TxAg, If you want a taillwheel buy one, converting them is way more of a pain than just buying what you want in the first place. I just converted my 150 and all said and done I could have bought the same airplane for less than what I had invested in it and I did alot of scrounging to find good deals on parts. Price aside my plane was down for 5 months...

SkyLarkin,

When removing a Horton the Leading edges of the Sportsman are modified (longer) to cover the rivet holes from the Horton. There is no evidence that the Horton was ever there. In the Photos you can see the new and old rivet holes, on inboard and outboard sections of the Sportsman cuff.

Skalywag wrote:SkyLarkin,

When removing a Horton the Leading edges of the Sportsman are modified (longer) to cover the river holes from the Sportsman. There is no evidence that the Horton was ever there. In the Photos you can see the new and old rivet holes, on inboard and outboard sections of the Sportsman cuff.

Thanks Skalywag, very helpful

TxAgfisher wrote:...but I could see how I could be talked into a trike with some of the input here...Those stripped interiors on the "182 Diet Plan" thread look incredibly functional and save a bunch of weight.

If you can the ego aspect of the TW, there aint nothing wrong with the 182. It can be a killer BC aircraft that can basically do the same stuff the Wagon can do.

On a 170, is there any way to keep the original wing tips with the Horton?

Bagarre wrote:On a 170, is there any way to keep the original wing tips with the Horton?

No. You will need to replace the tips with all STOL cuffs. Sportsman comes with tips that give you a bit more surface area than the stock tips for a wee bit more lift.

Bagarre wrote:On a 170, is there any way to keep the original wing tips with the Horton?

You can fiberglass an extension to your original aluminum wing tips to match up with your extended cuff.
Seems like new would be the way to go though.

Skalywag wrote:SkyLarkin,

When removing a Horton the Leading edges of the Sportsman are modified (longer) to cover the rivet holes from the Horton.

One would assume this directly translates into extra $$$$, like all things aviation.

The consensus is that the Sportsman is better that the Horton. Fair enough.

However; I'd suggest an honest assessment of your mission before you remove a Horton kit to install the Sportsman.

I've had a Horton on my Pponk 180 for 20+years. Floats all summer, mostly heavy. Wheels spring and fall, stop in fairly often at a 600' strip. Regular ski use, often alongside an otherwise identical Sportsman equipped 180. The competition is too close to call. The Horton airplane is faster, you may or may not care about this.

If I were doing it now, with such rich research available(BCP!), I may have chosen the Sportsman. But I'd have to be going some serious places, or have some serious money, to remove the Horton.

One, or both, may apply to you. If so, enjoy!

Battson wrote:

Skalywag wrote:SkyLarkin,

When removing a Horton the Leading edges of the Sportsman are modified (longer) to cover the rivet holes from the Horton.

One would assume this directly translates into extra $$$$, like all things aviation.

My kit was the same price with the longer tails to get behind the Mid America kit rivet holes.

Flynengr

Battson, there was no extra charge for the Modified leading edge on the Sportsman to cover the Horton rivet holes.

Aqua, I had around 1600 hours on the Horton Wing. I lost zero mph, my Horton wing was not faster.

With respect, Horton is NOT faster than the Sportsman... I had an Owl Cuff on that I removed (pretty close to a Horton.) Didn't loose any speed, and the performance increase was hands down a winner. Willie also had no extra charge for the deeper cuff to cover the outboard rivet holes from the old cuff.

bigrenna wrote:

Looks like the formers / nose-ribs are taped in place before putting the cuff in place. I assume they are not fastened to the wing. Are the new leading edges riveted to the nose-ribs, or are the nose-ribs just mashed into place?