It is east of the ridge and about one mile due east of the north end of j.c. Airport

This is not my photo, but I spoke with the guy who took this photo flew over the wreck several times, but did not see it. Anyways, ultimately he posted the cell phone video and some volunteer found it and got them to within 2/10th a mile. The rest is well documented already.

I purged part of the photo because some people are concerned it will reveal the location, although I thought it was quite well known already. Anyways, I'm sure somebody will post the full thing later. Hopefully this is enough to see just how difficult it would be to spot.

I noticed a tfr over the sight today.... Must be some sort of retrieval going on......

looks like a Black Hawk Helicopter on the field in view of the Johnson Creek camera.

WTF. TFR for body recovery. What a bunch of F-ing morons.

Sorry me bad

my guess was to keep the news chopper away

richw56 wrote:

Thread drift...... How did you upload a screen shot from your phone? Thanks

I used Tapatalk, the add photo is to right of the camera symbol

To take the screen shot you press the lock button and the home button at the same time.

I think he had that part

What private individual or company owns a Blackhawk ????

Stol wrote:What private individual or company owns a Blackhawk ????

With no fire season right now, maybe the family is chartering the Fire Hawk Blackhawk out of Boise (KBOI)??

had heard it was a private out of SUN....totally donated...cool deal....

Wednesday, January 15
Frances Phillips - "Janis asked me to post some of the details of the recovery of our family. Arthur Stock, Tony Bench and Tony's father-in-law, Ron Lunquist, who all searched with Dellon last week, called Dellon, Janis and I and offered to go back to the crash site to protect it and represent the family during the recovery. We accepted their inspired offer. They met me at the Sheriff's office first thing Monday morning, offering to help the Sheriff's Dept in any way they could. Again, their offers were accepted by the Sheriff's Dept. and they were camped out on the mountain before night fall Monday. In the meantime, I met again with the Sheriff and her deputy after they had requisitioned a helicopter and search dogs. They were compassionate and eager to help us have our loved ones join us as quickly as possible. Unbeknownst to me until Wednesday night, two volunteers (an attorney and the County Commissioner) began the five hour drive from a small town near Moscow, Idaho pulling a snow cat w ith a five foot wheel base. They arrived at the top of the ridge Tuesday morning just when they were indispensable in cutting a trail and delivering the dogs to the crash site. In the meantime, the helicopter was hovering over the site while each man lowered himself and his gear down by rope. Arthur, Tony and Ron reported that over a foot of new snow had fallen over the week end, covered the footprints and trail they had left on Friday, and the physical exertion they expended far exceeded anything they had ever done ... but while working as a team, The Valley County Sheriff's Dept, the McCall Fire Dept, the dogs with two handlers, the two surprise volunteers, and our men ... all five of our family were found. Ron reported that the efforts of the recovery have been completed with reverence and respect in much the same way as an archaeological dig, slowly and with precision.
It is expected that the recovery will have been completed by this afternoon. The coroner said that he expects to have all paperwork done by Thursday evening and that we will all be able to fly home to San Jose on Friday or Saturday."
Frances Phillips - "Our beautiful family was recovered several hours ago and are currently in McCall, Idaho, in very good hands. They will be driven to San Jose by the funeral home early next week rather than flying this week end as originally planned. The Branch President of the Cascade Branch and his wife will always be good friends of our family. We have developed bonds that will last a lifetime with so many of you. This is truly a beautiful place as well as a sacred one."

Another interesting part of this S&R operation is that the young lady that started the Facebook page that was used to coordinate the search efforts of the people reviewing the photos started the page because the Tomnod site didn't allow searchers to communicate with each other. There was no way to know if all of the tiles were being reviewed by searchers so she figured out how to lay the images over Google earth to find out where people were looking. She then created a grid of the whole search area and as people logged in to help she was able to assign them an area to search to make sure everything was getting covered. After the TFR was lifted after the official search ended people started commenting that the satellite images were horrible and started asking if there was a way to fly over the area with a go pro and video the ground. From there people took still images from the videos and started searching the flight paths of the mostly volunteer private pilots that were assisting in the search. Pilots then started taking still images of the area as they searched and loading them with GPS coordinates in to an online drop box. Soon there were thousands of images of the area in the drop box. People would find things then compare them with Google earth and look to see if there was a change. They found several pieces of old mining equipment up there in the images. Also notable is the young lady that kicked off the search on social media is still in high school and as the page grew she started adding family members of the Smith family as admins on the page and collectively they managed the search from their homes. It makes you wonder if the original official search had taken imagery of the ground and relayed that to the public, could the search have reached this conclusion sooner. In at least one case a go pro malfunctioned and the pilot started recording the ground with an iPhone and even those images were useful to the searchers. Lots of pictures from different perspectives helped to rule out areas for the ground teams searching and allowed the search to continue when weather halted flying and ground searching.

as much as we may hate to admit it - the future of the search portion of SAR is drones with cameras - and maybe infrared and smoke sensors

the game has been changed

The article explains the blackhawks

http://www.dailydemocrat.com/news/ci_24 ... e-san-jose

Can we do this now that the bodies have been recovered? Plane is located at one of the two debris reports at the bottom, as I understand it:

WilgaBeast wrote:We (Gadsden Air Corps) have played with many publicly available smoke canisters, I fly with a couple in my kit.

We use them to mark targets on the ground during our aerial resupply missions. (If we don't have someone on the ground, it's a sure way to get direction and estimate speed)

The ones we use burn for 4mins and put out something like 70,000cu/ft. Considered non-pyro. Not inexpensive, but being prepared rarely is.

We stock them and supply them for our pilots.

There are photos on our Facebook page.

Perhaps a new thread for SAR discussion is in order.

The GAC is all volunteer. We teach pilots how to interface with state/local responders. We also teach SAR skills, equipment recommendations, aerial resupply dropping, formation qualification (we do a lot of event/memorial flyovers).

We are new, but it's been very rewarding for me to be a part of it. I'm a much more aware and prepared aviator.

Find us at http://www.GadsdenAirCorps.com

You'll want to link to Facebook, lots more content there.

We meet every week with our guys here in Utah. If you are interested in getting something going in your area, we've done most of the startup work to help protect YOU as you engage in this effort.

What if we all were all trained in SAR? What if we all joined a nationwide network of aviators ready to provide a true FIRST response.

On our first actual search mission this last summer, we launched and located the target before state highway patrol chopper was even launched.

No red tape BS. Just get it done.

I was not sure where to go with this, but here is a bit of an update on how to get into the system and also another place to maybe look into instead of the CAP route. Hope this helps get some going in this direction!!
Maybe Z or MM could put this in a new thread??

Hello CSPA members,
CSPA has been working with the NWESRP (Northwest Emergency Seaplane Response Plan) to help get pilots involved and registered as Emergency Volunteer Pilots.

The below banner has been posted on C-SPA.org website along with a new NWESRP web page that describes the steps to becoming an Emergency Volunteer Pilot.

First, you should know that you don't have to be a state registered volunteer to take part in the ESRP (Emergency Seaplane Response Plan) exercise. You also don't need to be a seaplane pilot or a Washington state resident, as all pilots and aircraft can be of assistance. Just show up to an ESRP Event and learn how you can help in times of need.

If you become a Registered Emergency Volunteer Pilot, you are recognized with Washington state and FEMA and you could get benefits including liability protection, medical aid, disability and death benefits, and reimbursement of expenses. If you are not registered as an emergency volunteer, the controlling agencies may not be able to contact you or be able to include you in their emergency efforts.

There are several steps you need to take to become a Registered Emergency Volunteer Pilot with the WSDOT (Washington State Department of Transportation). Consider it similar to adding a rating to your pilot certificate.