Backcountry Pilot • Ski flying - NorCal - UPDATED 1/24/13

Ski flying - NorCal - UPDATED 1/24/13

Two of the best inventions ever, skis and airplanes, together.
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Re: Ski flying - NorCal / Sierra's UPDATED 1/12/13

4Whitey wrote:Way to earn your turns! I needa ski plane.

So does had propping a 3 blade 520 looks something like this? Image


That is absolutely something that I would get wrapped up in the prop like a string in the vacuum cleaner brush, according to Murphy's Law. It would not be pretty.
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Re: Ski flying - NorCal / Sierra's UPDATED 1/12/13

So not being a skier, how do you get to the top ?
I assume the snow is to deep to walk,so?
Great pics,
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Re: Ski flying - NorCal / Sierra's UPDATED 1/12/13

I am installing a 3 blade MT and would like to know if you just sync'd the mark on the prop hub with one of the blades like if it was a 2 blader. Obviously what you did worked.
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Re: Ski flying - NorCal / Sierra's UPDATED 1/12/13

They have special bindings where the heel releases and things called "skins" stuck to the bottom of their skis which allow them to shuffle uphill without sliding backward.

All the cool kids appatently run dynafit these days. Fix the heel, fix the problem. :-)


Juan80 wrote:So not being a skier, how do you get to the top ?
I assume the snow is to deep to walk,so?
Great pics,
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Re: Ski flying - NorCal / Sierra's UPDATED 1/12/13

Great photos, Kevin and Dave too!
Livin' a mighty good life, I'd say.
The 170 with skis would sure be a kick... Thanks for the inspiriation!
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Re: Ski flying - NorCal / Sierra's UPDATED 1/12/13

"Postby FLYNAKD » Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:12 am
I absolutely love this!! I am a HUGE skier here in CO and have yet to mix the two...your killing me as I might have to start looking into skis for the stinny!!! Granted we need snow here first :cry: and also let it get stable.

I have a dumb question- when you fly in like this I am guessing you factor in avalanche conditions to your landing spot? I've heard (at least out here) many occasions where a sled has triggered a remote slide running a flat area beneath the slope? Very interested in hearing/learning about your operations and decision tree."


I probably should've posted in this thread before starting my own (see where to ski land in Colorado) but if you want someone who has a reasonable amount of backcountry ski/travel knowledge to join you let me know. There are some zones I found that seem legal to land in and would offer great skiing.

In general the rule of thumb in CO is: if the slope angle is at or below 30 degrees (32 actually), statistically it has a very small chance of sliding. 90% of the backcountry skiing I do in Colorado is under 30-32 degrees unless we have unusually stable conditions. 30 degrees is steeper than it sounds and I doubt you would want to land on a slope that steep anyways (although I'm sure someone has). Just don't park/taxi under a slope like that.

Those guys in cali have it a little better than we do, statistically snow slides at higher slope angle since they have a wetter maritime snowpack that sticks to itself better. Bring the right safety gear with you and practice using it regularly. Best thing to do is take a AIRES certified avalanche safety class. It's two evenings during the week in class and 2 full days studying in the moutnains. Find a buddy and go, the classes are actually a lot of fun. Some resources are below:

https://avalanche.state.co.us/index.php

http://avtraining.org/

http://www.amazon.com/Staying-Alive-Ava ... =avalanche

Check the other thread I started for maps. I'll try to get the links I found up there today
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Re: Ski flying - NorCal / Sierra's UPDATED 1/12/13

BazzLow wrote:I probably should've posted in this thread before starting my own (see where to ski land in Colorado) but if you want someone who has a reasonable amount of backcountry ski/travel knowledge to join you let me know. There are some zones I found that seem legal to land in and would offer great skiing.

Best thing to do is take a AIRES certified avalanche safety class. It's two evenings during the week in class and 2 full days studying in the moutnains. Find a buddy and go, the classes are actually a lot of fun. Some resources are below:



Thanks alot for the info!! I would love to join you on a backcountry excursion sometime....I have all the gear minus skins/at bindings- but I can change that ;-) OHH and of course skis for the plane-but that may be awhile $$$$

Also I agree-have wanted to take a class for sometime now and have been throwing it around. Ill def check out your other page-you by chance coming out to GXY on Sat?
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Re: Ski flying - NorCal / Sierra's UPDATED 1/12/13

Just some photos of the area. The question always comes up about legality. All of these lakes have no rules against float planes. Additionally the land is not in a Wilderness or Park. Much of the land that surrounds these lakes is owned by a private corporation for its trees. Snowmachines are everywhere. If I were you, I would not land on the FS property as you cannot without prior approval.
Anyhow, the following are some great spots that give good access to ski touring. All of them have their own unique approach and departure making each one unique in its own way. I love going in and trying to figure out what, where and how along with all of the other things you need to be thinking about when going into these places. Pioneering is a big part of the fun.

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Taking the wife skiing now...Will post a TR later

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Re: Ski flying - NorCal / Sierra's UPDATED 1/17/13

There is still a few ice spots that we can get into with the tires, was out yesterday afternoon, met up with a friend from Truckee who plays around in a SeaRey. The folks thinking they wanted something that floats as well as land in the dirt and grass.....keep this as an option. He gets pretty good performance out of it. Gets it on and off Lake Tahoe in the summer with a passenger...6225 msl. Lands all over the deserts and playas here in Northern Nevada.

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Always looking for fun....

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Try a bigger image....???


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Re: Ski flying - NorCal / Sierra's UPDATED 1/17/13

Nice work Dave! Looking forward to seeing you tomorrow!

Spent the afternoon with my partner (wife)ski flying and ski touring. I'm lucky!

She is not a big flier but I think if we have more days like this she may get hooked. What more can you ask for? Blue skies, no wind and your lady in the middle of nowhere with a big smile on her face.
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And she was off. Our mission was to do laps off the high point here above her. Its about a 40 minute climb and just under 1500' of vert. We did 3 laps...
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Temps are holding and the snow was good!
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Half way up
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False summit for a photo..cool view. We still had about 500' to go from here
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Someone asked how we get up. Here I am pulling off my skins. Fur with stickem on the other side is the best way to describe it. The heel piece on the binding allows you to walk and not be locked down. When your ready to go down you lockem down. Simple
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And there she goes...40 minutes up and 3 minutes down... :D
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Back to the plane for some lunch
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ski tracks on and off the lake and ski tracks to and from the mountain...all left turns
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Good times...she wont let go of the O shit bar... :)
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Almost back to the airport. This is Donner Lake. Home to the famous "Donner party".
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Back at it in the am. Taking a few buddies skiing tomorrow. We have a big project in mind... #-o

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Re: Ski flying - NorCal / Sierra's UPDATED 1/18/13

Nice work! =D>
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Re: Ski flying - NorCal / Sierra's UPDATED 1/18/13

Very nice man! Great you got your wife out with you, really rewarding when they can enjoy it to.
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Re: Ski flying - NorCal / Sierra's UPDATED 1/18/13

May be a dumb question, but why all left turns? (Sorry if this has already been asked)
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Re: Ski flying - NorCal / Sierra's UPDATED 1/18/13

Solid work! It's great to see your wife tagging along. =D>

My wife finds comfort in the O'-shit handle too! :mrgreen:
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Re: Ski flying - NorCal / Sierra's UPDATED 1/18/13

Looks like a great day! Thanks for sharing the pictures and story!
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Re: Ski flying - NorCal / Sierra's UPDATED 1/18/13

Very cool. Thanks for the photos and story, looks so fun.

How's the new battery!

12volt?
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Re: Ski flying - NorCal / Sierra's UPDATED 1/18/13

Crzyivan13 wrote:May be a dumb question, but why all left turns? (Sorry if this has already been asked)

Remember the 4 left turning tendencies? Right turns are not out of the question however left turns are much easier and tighter on skis. No brakes. Only rudder applies. Use the force!

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Re: Ski flying - NorCal / Sierra's UPDATED 1/18/13

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Crzyivan13 wrote:May be a dumb question, but why all left turns? (Sorry if this has already been asked)

Remember the 4 left turning tendencies? Right turns are not out of the question however left turns are much easier and tighter on skis. No brakes. Only rudder applies. Use the force!

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That's what I figured you would say. It makes perfect sense w/ no brakes plus skis. I have no conventional gear experience, and I guess that would come into greater play on a conventional gear airplane? I know that you can use differential braking to combat this on wheels, but are the forces still that noticeable on the tires? Im still working on my PPL. I cant wait to get my tail dragger rating with it. Thanks, Kevin.
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Re: Ski flying - NorCal / Sierra's UPDATED 1/18/13

Thanks Kevin,the explanation of the skiing was great.

Kinda a cross between x-country and downhill skiing.

Keep em coming ,

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