Thanks all for all the ideas. We have a "Go" plane it's a older 206 but very solid nothing fancy. I was looking for and inexpensive putt around the patch plane that I could take up for 1/2 hour before dark with the boss lady that maybe LSA just in case someday I decided not to renew my medical.
The son has another 1 1/2 years of college but that will go fast and he may move some distance away and could use the 206 and I'd still have my putter. I'm spoiled being able to step in and out of the Cessna.
It's the shits to get old.......

Tyler wrote:I really like L19s, they are really cool but run about 50 to 100k more than a cheap super cub. Patrol Guy's Scout also seems like a really capable airplane too and cruises like crazy.

Tyler, your either looking in the RIGHT place for Super Cubs, or the WRONG place for Birddog's
Most L-19's ive seen latley sell for right around $100K, +/-20 for the SC.

Well I see the blue one still has the 60 degree flaps, but the engine cowl opening looks different then my friend's L-19. His just has two holes, while this one looks like a Maule almost, withe one big opening.

know what u mean bighorn...what i've found here in idaho is the cessna platform with some horsepower works well back-country...a lot of my friends have supercubs and some rans birds and they are just OK in respect to hauling much weight and being at least comfortable to go a couple of hours each way both down low and up high if need be...

the cubs and such work good as short mission birds, and are fun to fly. my older 182T is kind of a tank but predictable, and can land short and takeoff the same. if i didnt have mine, i would look hard at a maule like Rob's, or the tricked out stinson like Matt's...fwiw

patrol guy wrote:Well I see the blue one still has the 60 degree flaps, but the engine cowl opening looks different then my friend's L-19. His just has two holes, while this one looks like a Maule almost, withe one big opening.

The standard O-470-11 has an oil cooler above the air filter. This one most likely has an oil cooler in the right cowl inlet like the later model O-470's. That one also has a CS prop & cowl flap.

Edit:Q

Looks like this one was formerly N83859, Ector Super Mountaineer with the Lyc O-540 conversion.
There's a guy on the East coat doing a Super Dog conversion with a STC for a 540 & 3 blade.

Since someone brought up the Stinson for a larger pilot in this thread, perhaps the forum admin will not consider it too much of a three-strike felony for me to point out that I stumbled across a complete and intact Stinson rebuild project if you want something larger and more roomy than a Super-Cube.

Not quite a super-light putt putt, but if it is used as a one or two place putt putt it should have pretty good performance.

http://fresno.craigslist.org/for/2624794031.html

EZ,
Kind of reading between the lines on the add maybe....but it states don't bother asking about books. Sounds like the owner doesn't have the log books. I don't know....just speculating.

WW
Just found the pics of your Super Champ....very nice!

I am with Gump...get a Bird Dog...of course if I had the money I would get one and I am a small guy. L-19s are what Super Cubs want to grow up to be. They are one of the finest flying aircraft out there.

No offense against the L-19 crowd, but unless you're hung up on a "warbird", I'd stay away from them.

1) They are all VERY old airplanes, and many have lived tough lives. Not unusual in today's aircraft but..
2) The original engine, the O-470-11 is getting harder and harder to support. FYI, this is NOT the "same" O-470 that the C-182/180 wears. This is why many have different engines.
3) There is a lot of glass to keep clean
4) Everywhere you look from inside, you're looking pretty much at the outside of the airplane. I have not flown one in cold weather, but they better have one HELLUVA heater, cause they have NO insulation.
5) There aren't that many of them out there in operating order. Not sure what parts supply is, although I suspect some parts MAY be off the shelf from other Cessnas. Remember, though, that this airplane preceded ALL the Cessna airplanes except the 120/140 and the original 170.
6) If you're thinking of going this route, REALLY research the particular airplane's history and logbooks carefully. And, make certain that it is SQUEAKY clean, as far as logbooks and modifications go.

Of course, half of this stuff applies equally to many other really old airplanes.

As to performance, I'd put a good Scout up against an L-19 any day in that regard. The L-19 is slow and fairly heavy. Built like a tank, though.

MTV

EZFlap wrote:Since someone brought up the Stinson for a larger pilot in this thread, perhaps the forum admin will not consider it too much of a three-strike felony for me to point out that I stumbled across a complete and intact Stinson rebuild project if you want something larger and more roomy than a Super-Cube.

Not quite a super-light putt putt, but if it is used as a one or two place putt putt it should have pretty good performance.

http://fresno.craigslist.org/for/2624794031.html

I've got a few pictures of Bill Berle and a L-13 --- a Supercub on Steroids. 6place with Pool Table and folding wings>tail to haul it home. 300hp radial for cheap car gas and appetite for 50weight oil.

Bighorn wrote:... I was looking for and inexpensive putt around the patch plane that I could take up for 1/2 hour before dark with the boss lady that maybe LSA just in case someday I decided not to renew my medical......

Most of the replys have been non-LSA types. For a second, inexpensive plane that you have the option of operating without a medical, you seem like the perfect candidate for an LSA. Sticking with the tandem tail dragger criteria, that's likely a Rans S7, Zlin Savage Cub, Legend Cub, CarbonCub, and others. Carbon Cub is the other end of the spectrum for cost. Zlins's are hard to find if you want a built used one, but out there and nice planes (a since improved copy of an older Rans, and nice planes it seems). Legend Cubs are really nice planes, if you are looking for a "cub clone", but they are more cub speed also ~ 85mph.

I am biased of course, but I think the S7 fits the bill pretty well. about as easy to get in tandem as you can get. just open the 5ft wide door, face the seat with your but, step on the tire, and back in. Pull your knee up and in the plane. 6'6" guys fit great in leg, head and shoulder room with no real compromises in any.

The Rotax 912s is miserly at 4.5gph cruising typically at 100mph (+/- 5-7mph depending on tire size, gear type, prop pitching, etc.). Smooth, quiet, and low maint.

You can find really nice "S" models (the newest) for $50-60K with low/mid time. Older models like WWHunter has for less, with very little trade off, if any depending what you like.

Very capable STOL airplane. Better speed than a cub for 1/2 the fuel burn. Good useful load. Do the work youself if an EAB or E-LSA. Hard to beat.

Big doors:


Super easy to get in the back seat too
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-_qNzt4cFin4/Te7BVQ5YqCI/AAAAAAAAphw/FuDCn1gqhHI/s720/_DSC0738.JPG

Joa Harrison who owns the VG company landshorter.com, states after arriving at Johnson Creek Idaho:
"My father in law (below) and I were literally the two biggest guys to climb out of the smallest plane. I'm 6'7" and 265# and Jack is 6'6" and around 230#."


Joahs plane:

Thanks Emflys

I have started to zero in on this plane but the additional info was very helpful. Located the Rans clan. Seems there are several different models as well that I will need to read up on as well as the S6. I also like the LSA thing just in case.....I know the day will come that I will need to stop flying.....but I'm hoping it's a long ways away!
1 thing about not knowing much .....is everything is new to the learning curve and makes it exciting.

Thanks again

L-19 wrote:

Tyler wrote:I really like L19s, they are really cool but run about 50 to 100k more than a cheap super cub. Patrol Guy's Scout also seems like a really capable airplane too and cruises like crazy.

Tyler, your either looking in the RIGHT place for Super Cubs, or the WRONG place for Birddog's
Most L-19's ive seen latley sell for right around $100K, +/-20 for the SC.

I always seem to find the ones that are fresh out of Air Repair...

What about a SIAI Marchetti SM1019A, aka a Birddog with an Allison 250? :



http://classg.com/aircraft_listing.i?cmd=view&alid=11185&preview=&new=&all_photos=true

One day.

The S-6 interests me too. I've never seen one up close. I like "normal" tube and rag and engine. Just seems right. I'd like to see a Carbon Vagabond.