Anybody ever see the NTSB report on the two high level CAP Pilots that flew (nightVFR) a Garmin 1000 Cessna 182 into Mt Potoi near Las Vegas a few years ago?
Not pointing fingers, it's just this discussion reminded me of it.

CamTom12 wrote:

Stol wrote:How was the pilot? I'm glad they found him!!

Ground search and recovery crews were headed out to the crash site a few hours ago to recover the remains. I will post any articles that the local paper prints to keep you guys informed. My sources are pretty limited now that the CAP has cast their " don't say anything to anybody" spell on their members. Word on the street is the pilot didn't suffer very long after the crash, if any at all...

CamTom12 wrote:

Stol wrote:FOUND......

The Teton County Search and Rescue Heli found the plane this afternoon. A little over a mile from the last radar hit....

43.00.51 110.33.80

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Godspeed to the pilot...

A BIG thanks to all involved in the search...

How was the pilot? I'm glad they found him!!

He didn't make it.

http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-a ... 51019.html

sad to hear that. condolences to family and friends.

Glad they found it before winter. Spring would have been a long time for the family to wait for closure. CAP needs a win, they're a joke in Idaho too. One of them missed the Idaho falls runway not once, but twice a few years ago trying to get signed off in the 182. Can't imagine a go around for a 7000' runway even once.

Nosedragger wrote: CAP needs a win, they're a joke in Idaho too. One of them missed the Idaho falls runway not once, but twice a few years ago trying to get signed off in the 182. Can't imagine a go around for a 7000' runway even once.

Serious? Did the CAP's put up a TFR for the second attempt as to not distract the pilot with other aircraft in the pattern?

blackrock wrote:Montana's system for aircraft SAR is the best one if seen, in my limited exposure. The state trains local volunteer pilots at a seminar put on every year. As a result, there are trained local pilots and observers all over the state; searches are coordinated by the aeronautics division. They are in the air pretty quick once notice is given. Pilots/observers are assigned boxes within a grid system to search thus avoiding conflicts with other SAR aircraft.

I'm sure this system isn't perfect, what is? However, I very much agree with the above posts, I'd much rather have local pilots (you guys) searching for me than the idiotic over stuffed bureaucratic monster called CAP. This comment isn't direct at their volunteers, but at the ridiculous system they operate within.

Mike

I believe that this is the model that Idaho is adopting. Last year they did some training, but I've not heard much on it recently.

Agreed on the CAP comments. It is a comical group of octogenarians in our area, lead by a somewhat younger guy who thinks he knows everything but is full of it. Like others have said, I want you guys looking for me!

Nosedragger wrote:Glad they found it before winter. Spring would have been a long time for the family to wait for closure. CAP needs a win, they're a joke in Idaho too. One of them missed the Idaho falls runway not once, but twice a few years ago trying to get signed off in the 182. Can't imagine a go around for a 7000' runway even once.

Not in defense of that particular action, but related:

A few years ago a guy I know was flying across that area of the west. Had crossed SLC over the wedding cake, wx was good vis and low overcast. Upon heading for the ID Falls airport, said aviator developed a small case of "tunnel vision" for a runway 20 arrival after listening to ATIS. Tower cleared to land and then amended landing clearance to 17 on 3mi final due to airport maintenance wanting to do some sweeping on the main runway. I'll be damned if that pilot could see 17...one of those days I suppose. Had to initiate the embarrassing go-around, where upon pouring the coals to her the assigned runway magically appeared. There was no other traffic and I am sure the controller got a good chuckle.

Let this be a lesson to approaching an unfamiliar airport.

Terrible news about the pilot... My condolences to his family.

58Skylane wrote:

Nosedragger wrote: CAP needs a win, they're a joke in Idaho too. One of them missed the Idaho falls runway not once, but twice a few years ago trying to get signed off in the 182. Can't imagine a go around for a 7000' runway even once.

Serious? Did the CAP's put up a TFR for the second attempt as to not distract the pilot with other aircraft in the pattern?

Good one. The way I remember the story, the first bungled landing was a sole proprietorship. The second one was at least partially due to the distractions of a grumpy A&P/pilot with his PIC responsibilities turned hostage, proselytizing about all the ground opportunities the CAP offered. A full flap, full slip, power off landing could have salvaged the second attempt had the curmudgeon with the clip board not also had a soap box rant prepared about shock cooling.

GBFlyer- I too have had a foible related to KIDA runways and had to play my "I'm a student pilot" card. I stuck the landing though once they held my hand through the 2 is 2-0 and 20 is 2-0-0, savvy? speech.

Stol wrote:Ground search and recovery crews were headed out to the crash site a few hours ago to recover the remains. . Word on the street is the pilot didn't suffer very long after the crash, if any at all...

Let's hope he never had time to say "ohshit"........ My heart goes out to the family and friends.
John

I miss John Wayne.

OregonMaule wrote:

You are a prick. Second time you called this deceased gentleman stupid. How many stupid mistakes have you survived?

Rooster Cogburn wrote:

OregonMaule wrote:

You are a prick. Second time you called this deceased gentleman stupid. How many stupid mistakes have you survived?

You've been reading this forum for over a year and a half and just now realizing OM is a prick??

John Wayne was correct, that's all OM pointed out, put your own spin on JW if you wish but no need for name calling. The weather on the day in question was total shit BTW, but not being a IFR type what do I know?

courierguy wrote:John Wayne was correct, that's all OM pointed out, put your own spin on JW if you wish but no need for name calling. The weather on the day in question was total shit BTW, but not being a IFR type what do I know?

I thought you were IFR rated?? (I Follow Ridges)

Exactly.... I am totally unqualified as to the wisdom of making that flight that day. But at about 80 to 100 miles away that day, even leaving the crib that day was ugly, flying?? Makes me respect the IFR crowd big time

I think the only difference between many of us and the guy that was lost is luck!!
When I run out of it I will have been one of those Stupid guys JW and OM were talking about.
Until then I'm just a very good scud runner!!
Like above no reason to name call.
I'm sure OM will tell you he has been perfect all his flying career, and never has pushed it, or broken a FAR, as we all are
GT
My heart felt thoughts for his friends and family, because I'm sure that there is at least a 50-50 chance mine will need the same !

I thought the Duke was talking about CAP pilots. I got introduced to them when I was a student pilot:

Two of us were getting our tickets together so we signed up for one of those weekend crash courses to pass the written. That was back when you could ride the mail plane out of J-Hole to Denver for $100/ round trip, which we did. They made their money flying deposits and medical lab stuff back and forth so the passengers were just cream to the deal. Our agreement with the pilot of the worn out Seneca was that if he yelled fire, we were going to cram our clothes in with the blood vials and jump out with the money .

We got lucky because the instructor was the head Cahuna, a 25,000 hour ex military pilot that was required to teach one course a year, he had an interesting story with every question so passing the written at the end was a snap (for us). Two of the students were CAP pilots working on their commercial so at the end they had to answer 80 questions from the same pool that we answered 60 from. They were complete idiots so we were not surprised when they failed. We passed the FAA test and got a ride home in the mail plane, they flunked and flew the CAP Skylane home .