It's a long shot, but does anyone have or know of 206 center seats that are available ?

Thanks

Dave

They are fairly easy to track down if you do some leg work. I'd first start with Wentworth. http://www.wentworthaircraft.com/

I'd also give Mack a ring up at Skywagon City.

You may know, but Kenmore has a revised STC now for sale again. Dont know if you have read them or not, but there has been much opinion given on the pluses/minuses of the 206 seat in previous threads. Worth the time to dig into before you make up your mind.

Thanks for the info. I've been following this for topic for a while. I think the 206 seats work the best for my situation. I have talked to kenmore, they were out of the STC/parts when I called about 2 months ago. But I just received an email stating they have the STC available again.

I will try the sources you mentioned.
Thanks

Dave

Thanks for the info. I've been following this for topic for a while. I think the 206 seats work the best for my situation. I have talked to kenmore, they were out of the STC/parts when I called about 2 months ago. But I just received an email stating they have the STC available again.

I will try the sources you mentioned.
Thanks

Dave

Sorry for the double post. I'm not sure how that happened. When I talked to the gentleman at kenmore, he advised me to not buy the STC until I had the seats in hand. He said they are extremely hard to find. I also thought I read recently that someone else was looking for the seats and couldn't find them.

Dave

I was looking for a set but kind of gave up on that idea. I’d still do it if I found some seats but I’m not actively looking.

There are three low back utility 206 mid row seats currently on ebay. They look like the ones I have which meet the requirements of the STC. The Kenmore STC list the approved part numbers, not all 206 mid row seats are on the approved list. I would ask Kenmore for the approved seat numbers before I started looking for seats and before purchasing any seats would verify the part number in the parts manual (the number is not on the seat).

Tim

Tim,

Thank you. Thanks for mentioning eBay. I am looking at the one. When I talked to Kenmore they didn't give me seat part numbers, but he did give me some guidance on which seat to look for. Unfortunately that info is at home and I won't be home until much later tonight.


Does anyone know where you find part numbers on cessna seats?

Thanks for all the help

Dave

A little update on the quest for 206 middle seats.

My 55 180 doesn't have a float kit. After talking to Kenmore and a few other knowledgeable Cessna people, there is a rear bracket that the factory float planes have that is not in the non float planes. That bracket is required for the 206 seat installation.

One of the mechanics I talked to is aware of this and said to put that bracket in a non factory float plane would be a massive amount of work.

That made me smile because the scope of work he does is pretty intense. If he says it's a lot of work. It probably is not worth the effort and I should alter my game plan.

I appreciate all the info and ideas that were presented.

I do know of 2 high back 206 middle seats (I think they would be a little too snug in my 180) and one utility seat middle seat that are available. PM if you are interested I'll pass on the info.

Thanks to all.

Dave

Take a look at airframe innovations seats

Dave, look in parts manual for your airplane at the float kit installation. When I get a chance I will send you the part numbers of the specific float kit parts that are required for the Kenmore seat STC. If I recall correctly it is just an angle which goes on the forward side of the bulkhead (station 109 I think) and the aft ends of the seat tracks rest on it and are attached to it (goes under the floor). Personally I would ask the FAA for a deviation from the STC requirement for the Cessna part and approval to install two short sections of angle to serve the same purpose. Note, the STC does not require that a float kit is installed but specific part numbers which are part of the float kit only, you do not need a complete float kit installation to use the STC.

Tim

Tim,

Thank you. I would be interested in that info.

Dave

Dave, sorry it took so long, busy week with OSH and all. The required part number of the angle which is installed on the front of the bulkhead at station 90.00, depending on the serial number of your aircraft, is 0742115-16, or 0711089-1, or 0711089-2. Also from the installation drawing notes, "Existing seat belt attachments from middle two seats from six seat configuration are used", and "Eligible Cessna 206 seats for this installation include p/n's 1214008 & 1200605." The seat numbers will have various "dash" numbers. If your serial number aircraft did not have a six seat configuration or had the seat belts for the rear seat attached to the seats you will have to install the six seat configuration seat belt attach fittings so plan for that cost. The seats are required to be installed forward on the tracks so that the arm for weight and balance purposes is the same as the seat removed, resulting in no additional leg room over the original bench or factory jump seats. Hope this helps.
Since this information is proprietary for Kenmore I was somewhat hesitant in posting it and if Zzz feels it should be removed I hope he does so.

Tim

bat443 wrote:The seats are required to be installed forward on the tracks so that the arm for weight and balance purposes is the same as the seat removed

I’ve heard this before and I don’t understand what what the big deal is? Adjust the seat wherever you want it and use the actual measured arm for your weight and balance. Same goes for the front seats, Cessna says 36”... well my seat rails have 8 holes, each spaced 1” apart, so which one is 36”?? That can make a big difference in your calculated CG.

robw56 wrote:

bat443 wrote:The seats are required to be installed forward on the tracks so that the arm for weight and balance purposes is the same as the seat removed

I’ve heard this before and I don’t understand what what the big deal is? Adjust the seat wherever you want it and use the actual measured arm for your weight and balance. Same goes for the front seats, Cessna says 36”... well my seat rails have 8 holes, each spaced 1” apart, so which one is 36”?? That can make a big difference in your calculated CG.

I can offer some insight here; I know the man who originally developed this stc in the 70-80s for Kenmore. At the time it was all about quick and easy approvals. “Just go out to the new C180 in the parking lot and make something work, please avoid having to write a flight supplement for it.” As a result many of our old stc are weirdly specific.

Example: Kenmore’s stc to install the PT6A-135 in a Turbine Beaver only applies to airplanes on EDO 4930 floats, no other configuration is legal, not even a land plane.

Recently the seat stc was overhauled but that detail about installation was missed. Wouldn’t stop me from a little “deviation with knowledge“ when doing a weight and balance and sliding the seat back where it’s comfortable.

Tim,

Thank you for the information, that was very helpful.

Dave

The current Kenmore drawings only call for one latch pin hole in the track. Without drilling additional holes in the track, which alters the approved part, you have no other choice to choose. That being said, I intend to request a field approval to drill an additional hole and for a supplement to my operating manual and weight and balance after the installation is completed.
Tim

bat443 wrote:The current Kenmore drawings only call for one latch pin hole in the track. Without drilling additional holes in the track, which alters the approved part, you have no other choice to choose. That being said, I intend to request a field approval to drill an additional hole and for a supplement to my operating manual and weight and balance after the installation is completed.
Tim

I stand corrected, sounds like it got more revised than I realized. Previously it used some stock seat tracks with many holes...

I talked to one of the guys at Kenmore about this station 90 doubler. He said their shop guys at Kenmore would not think it was a huge job to add the doubler to a non-float plane, but that if you ask someone who does not do a lot of sheet metal work to put the same piece in, that they might consider it a big job. I guess it just boils down to how many hours it takes in addition to putting in the seat rails and the new seatbelt attachments, if needed.

Replacing that bulkhead requires removing the whole floor. It is a big job. Not needed as you can just add angles for the aft ends of the outer seat tracks and bolt the angles to existing structure.