Ok. So the OP starts a thread wanting a tailwheel trainer and we've by universal acclaim decided he needs a straight tail C-182. Lord I do love this forum.

I think he needs a Mooney M20C. It flies higher faster farther than the 182 and has very close to the same useful load. And it's cheaper to operate, will get you more chicks and come stock with a wing leveler so you can knock one off at altitude.

What's a DC-3 cost.....doh! Needs a co-pilot.

wyomingiswindy wrote: I thought we were supposed to help you find a taildragger...

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1384&start=0

Click into the "Types" forum and read the pages of identical threads. There's a lot to be learned, I know I have learned quite a bit over the years. The information is already here, no need to wait for new answers. The problem is that the people with the answers get tired of typing them over and over.

Or maybe they don't? Carry on then. More duplicates make it harder to find solid existing information in here via search or browse.

There are motives for TW time in the logbooks and as a CFI.

Like what? Heck, I taught for several years, and I'm a lousy tail dragger driver.

Cary

There is a 170B with a Franklin 220 in Barnstormers for that price with all kinds of add ons,hyd skies and either float fittings or a set of floats, the engine bottom end is a bit past TBO, Franklin's can be hard to find parts for, but they are great performers. I looked away,,,,,,I can't buy another airplane!

Damn...... just spend the extra money on a Maule!!

One good thing about a really gutless taildragger at high DA's, especially if it's windy. You will either learn ground handling and take-off/landing skills real quick, or you'll wreck it. Survive that school and move up to more HP, and you'll look like a pro.

Gump

Zane wrote:

wyomingiswindy wrote: I thought we were supposed to help you find a taildragger...

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1384&start=0

Click into the "Types" forum and read the pages of identical threads. There's a lot to be learned, I know I have learned quite a bit over the years. The information is already here, no need to wait for new answers. The problem is that the people with the answers get tired of typing them over and over.

Or maybe they don't? Carry on then. More duplicates make it harder to find solid existing information in here via search or browse.

Sorry, I thought this was an open forum. Each new poster has a unique mission, price range,experience, preconceived notions, and ideas as to what might be the right aircraft for them. If "the people with the answers" are tired of answering , they need only .... wait for it... Not answer. I searched for threads to get info on my question first. And I got some good info. I thought that many of the people here enjoy the discussions and would not mind another one. Sorry if I was wrong and offended anyone. I will be sure not to ask anything that may have been discussed in previous threads.

Find a good deal on a straight tail 172 w/180hp - then strike a deal to be EZFlap's prototype for a TW conversion?

Stinsons are great planes. I fly in the Mountains often with mine. I have the Franklin 165 hp. Climb rate is 700 fps.
I will be upgrading to the 0470 for the power to climb. When the Mountains climb faster then you , you have to love yourself an out with any plane. The Stinson has room for two and your gear. You can find a good Stinson for around 35K or less. I payed 16K for mine a few years back and have done a lot of up grades to make it better. It flies and handles great. Good on fuel. Just my thought...

Sorry climb rate is 700 fpm and not sec. Sorry for the miss hape.

172heavy wrote:There is a 170B with a Franklin 220 in Barnstormers for that price with all kinds of add ons,hyd skies and either float fittings or a set of floats, the engine bottom end is a bit past TBO, Franklin's can be hard to find parts for, but they are great performers. I looked away,,,,,,I can't buy another airplane!

That 170 looks like the one that was seized in a drug bust up in AK, it was sold at auction with NO LOGS.

Cary wrote:

There are motives for TW time in the logbooks and as a CFI.

Like what? Heck, I taught for several years, and I'm a lousy tail dragger driver.

Cary

Like summer work in Alaska having a passion for TW to start providing transition training. Amongst some other aspirations to take my flying 'career'.

Regardless of the other chatter, I DID get some information. There have been indeed other discussions on tailwheel - but I have not seen nor could find a discussion about NON-turbo/HP aircraft for a high altitude base. There is a lot of open space in CO and if it's windy, too hot, etc - well just don't fly.

Looks like a 180hp 170, Stinson (not 165hp franklin), PA12 and maybe a Maule is on the list. Understand limitations on all - but I rather be flying than not since I cant swing a big boy plane.

Thanks all!

How familiar are you with the Gunnison area? How about flying out of high elevation airstrips?

For the most part, I think you have a good list going. (I know it's good, because that's what all the other lists look like).

mountainmatt wrote:How familiar are you with the Gunnison area? How about flying out of high elevation airstrips?

For the most part, I think you have a good list going. (I know it's good, because that's what all the other lists look like).

Very true - what this has taught me is that all the capable aircraft dont get ruled out of a high DA - just have to use prudent training/judgement. I would actually be looking at a Cessna 140, Champ or T-craft if I was not based high up.

Very used to airstrips above 5000' (Embry Riddle - Prescott in the 90's) and have some time in the Gunnison area. Pretty familiar with the whole area flying wise - some time in a Bushhawk flying between GUC and Aspen and Telluride. Live in Gunnison/CB area 2006-2010 and looking at a new opportunity which would get us back there. Not a bunch of flying time there though - lots to learn still.

If you are interested in Cessna 140s there is one for sale on barnstormers in Glenwood Springs. It has a 135hp Lycoming and 8.50s on it. It won't have a very big useful load but it will perform pretty dang well. I've flown a 140 with this same setup plus VGs in Idaho and it was a nice plane. I also have a few hundred hours flying my dad's 125hp 120, they are fun little planes. I don't have a lot of time flying them at high altitudes though. I did have the 120 up above 10,000ft one time with 2 people aboard and I was climbing easily at 400fpm.

I enjoyed my time flying my little C140 around the Colorado Rockies and learned to respect it's limitations quickly. I've flown into GUC and Buckhorn in my old C140 a few times. If your smart/patient/lucky, a small light plane can be a lot of fun.

I've seen that C140 Rob talks about first hand and it would fit your mission. Dave is a good guy and flies it all over the CO Rockies. I 3rd that a C182 is the ideal plane if you don't NEED a tailwheel.

Don't forget the Pacer, a nice long wing modded 150 hp Pacer would do the trick and you can find one in the 30/40K already set up or less for those that arent completely set up...

http://www.trade-a-plane.com/detail/Sin ... 87063.html


http://www.barnstormers.com/classified_ ... 20-22.html

Hottshot wrote:Don't forget the Pacer, a nice long wing modded 150 hp Pacer would do the trick and you can find one in the 30/40K already set up or less for those that arent completely set up...

http://www.trade-a-plane.com/detail/Sin ... 87063.html


http://www.barnstormers.com/classified_ ... 20-22.html

Nice, thanks. I need to learn the Piper lineage. I thought all Pacer's were short winged!

The C-140 with 135 and VG's(Dave's) in glenwood looks nice as well!

29singlespeed wrote:

Hottshot wrote:Don't forget the Pacer, a nice long wing modded 150 hp Pacer would do the trick and you can find one in the 30/40K already set up or less for those that arent completely set up...

http://www.trade-a-plane.com/detail/Sin ... 87063.html


http://www.barnstormers.com/classified_ ... 20-22.html

Nice, thanks. I need to learn the Piper lineage. I thought all Pacer's were short winged!

The C-140 with 135 and VG's(Dave's) in glenwood looks nice as well!

Yes they are "Short wing" but talk with Eddie Trimmer in Willow AK about extended wings and other mods that make a Pacer even better and still be in range of your budget

Yes they are "Short wing" but talk with Eddie Trimmer in Willow AK about extended wings and other mods that make a Pacer even better and still be in range of your budget[/quote]


Cool! Thanks! I do like the looks of the Pacers also.