The OP was doing what he felt was right, sounds to me like the other pilot needs to chill out a little, so he has to fly a larger pattern, big deal, enjoy the views. I am amazed at the folks that feel they have to correct other pilots on the radio, whether it is about radio procedures, traffic patterns, whatever, you are not gonna change their ways over the radio, especially if you make them feel defensive.

Terry wrote:We use ATC frequencies in our local area that are not used in hundreds of miles of our area.
Keep those frequencies between you and your buddies and you always have a quiet channel to BS on.
We use 2 different ones here and have never heard any negative feed back.

Yes, 122.75 is the practice area CTAF for flight training in the Hillsboro area so I use other frequencies. Fingers tends to be too busy as well. I like to dip into the thousandths place and get really obscure.

mtv wrote:Yes, 122.85 USED TO BE an approved air to air frequency, but for reasons unknown, it was removed from that use a couple years ago.....unfortunately.

Around here 122.85 is used for SAR - dunno whether that is official or not.

Greg

What role does the NTIA play in FAA radio frequency allocation and enforcement? What role does the FCC play in government radio frequency assignment and enforcement?
AC-90-50D seems to be still valid.

jnmeade wrote:What role does the NTIA play in FAA radio frequency allocation and enforcement? What role does the FCC play in government radio frequency assignment and enforcement?
AC-90-50D seems to be still valid.

FCC has responsibility for all frequency assignments in broadcast. Even the feds have to request frequencies, though there are often frequencies and bands of frequencies "reserved" for specific uses. We had multi band FM radios in our aircraft, and those each required an FCC license, even though we only operated on allocated frequencies.

Then, one day, I was departing out of Fairbanks, and overheard a long conversation on our FM assigned frequency between a couple construction guys. This was a digital secure frequency......supposedly. I asked them who they were, they told me. Next day, I went through a dozen or so telephone menus in the FCC before talking to a person. She informed me that the FCC had made an error in issuing that frequency license to the construction outfit.

I talked to the construction foreman the next day to discuss and he said he'd received a call from FCC, and they'd told him his license was rescinded and that he'd have to re-apply for a license and frequency assignment.....and then have all his radios changed to the new frequency....when FCC got around to it. He was very much a gentleman as I apologized for his hassles, and just said it's the FCC, not you.

Frankly, I don't think anybody actually enforces frequency useage unless there's a complaint or???
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MTV

I paid my tax to the FCC...

I spent $165.00 on an international radio license per AOPAs guidance to cross into Canada. Nobody cared at all! It's good for ten years.

Some people called me a "sucker" But, I am legal I guess?

Thanks for the clarification. I was confused by this:

https://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/radio- ... allocation

"The radio spectrum is the radio frequency (RF) portion of the electromagnetic spectrum. In the United States, regulatory responsibility for the radio spectrum is divided between the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and the National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA). The FCC, which is an independent regulatory agency, administers spectrum for non-Federal use (i.e., state, local government, commercial, private internal business, and personal use) and the NTIA, which is an operating unit of the Department of Commerce, administers spectrum for Federal use (e.g., use by the Army, the FAA, and the FBI). "

I read that to mean the NTIA assigned radio frequencies within the spectrum to the FAA. Maybe I'm confused and the FAA means something inside the FAA, not ATC or other aviation frequencies.

An email from the FAA manager of frequency in the aviation voice VHF spectrum. I asked her who allocated these frequencies and which agency got involved in case of an enforcement action.

Here's where she works:
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/hea ... ce/rfb.cfm

So, we can all now tell our pilot friends that the NTIA, not the FCC, controls FAA frequencies and they are the agency that would be involved in violations.

The FCC is the agency in charge of non-federal frequencies, such as the ham radio bands that I use and the commercial bands that the local ready-mix company talks on.

"There is a USA table of frequency allocations that has been collaboratively established by NTIA and FCC in accordance with international guidelines. The FAA and every federal agency is ruled by NTIA on the use of spectrum in accordance with this table of allocations. The FCC regulates the use of spectrum by non-federal entities. Therefore, a violation on the use of frequencies should be reported to NTIA or FCC depending on the nature of the entity causing the violation, federal or non-federal.

I hope this answered your question. Please let us know if you have additional concerns.

Thank you,

Lorena Carvajal
FAA Spectrum Engineering Office AJW-1C2
202-267-7051"

I'm glad I never bothered getting a radio license.

AEROPOD wrote:
I'm always amused at work by the guard nazi's. These guys jump all over the corporate or regional guy who inadvertently calls in range on guard.

Yeah these guys drive me nuts! The urgency that they jump down their throats is like this is the most agregious offense known to mankind. Most guys that do this need to remove the stick they have lodged up their ass.

contactflying wrote:I'm glad I never bothered getting a radio license.

I've seen this talked about before, but in your experience is it the norm that most don't bother getting the radio license for their aircraft? We are planning on a trip up there this next year and just curious.

I bought a license for my aircraft but somehow messed up and didn't get one for myself. Nobody asked to see either.

JUNE-2015 KONP - PAKT

"International Radio License" was not presented or asked for. The legality is unknown to me? I really do not know. But, I did purchase online and had a hard copy (printed at home).

(1) Entering into Nanaimo, Canada from Port Angeles, WA:

I called customs. Received an entry "number". Wrote it down. They never wanted to see me or the aircraft.

(2) Entering Ketchikan, AK:

Called customs, they took the ferry over to PAKT from town:

Asked for passport. Customs Officer had a device to search for radiation? Nothing else.

Basically the same returning to USA.

CamTom12 wrote:I bought a license for my aircraft but somehow messed up and didn't get one for myself. Nobody asked to see either.

Thanks for the replies. I remember reading that seemed to be the experience of the majority that posted. I have the license for myself for work...which I've never been asked to show to anyone either![emoji3]

I've carried my original restricted radiotelephone operator permit issued back in 1970 on every flight I've ever made, and not once in 45+ years have I ever been asked to show it. But, carry it I will. [emoji41]

Gump

I also have carried mine and also have never been asked for it. I vaguely recall that some years back it was decided that you didn't have to carry it.

I still carry mine, although it's getting pretty worn and hard to read. Even when I ran into a supercilious el jerko TAS type at Roche Harbor some years ago, he didn't ask for that particular piece of paper (ostensibly required since we'd been using the marine band radio in Canada), although he asked for just about everything else.

Cary