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Backcountry Pilot • Almost crashed at Johnson Creek, ID

Almost crashed at Johnson Creek, ID

Near misses, close calls, and lessons learned the hard way. Share with others so that they might avoid the same mistakes.
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Almost crashed at Johnson Creek, ID

I had a pretty freaky event happen about a month ago while attempting to land at J.C. It was my first time into J.C. and I had been briefed on the approaches and the tendency to be high. I of course did the new pilot thing and came in a bit high landing to the south. I attempted a forward slip into the airstrip with my 182 and realized that I was not going to make it down in time, so I decided to abort my landing attempt and go around. I applied full power and began to retract the flaps. Approximately 5 seconds after adding power back in, I heard a very loud bang which was followed by a violent shutter. I had my wife and 2 year old child on board with all of our camping gear. The engine stopped producing enough power to sustain altitude. I was approximately 300 feet AGL. I over flew the house and made an immediate tear drop back in using as much of my airspeed an altitude I had to make the turn. I began descending fast in the turn and realized I was getting slow. I was fortunately able to get back to the runway and land without a problem. The engine was still running and got me parked. I then took the cowling off and found the #4 cylinder top had blown off. Very freaky incident!

It was said at J.C. that day that I was the most "lucky, unlucky guy" up there. I would urge everyone to experiment at altitude with steep turns and pay attention to your altimeter. Pay attention to how slow you can be and what point you can execute a steep turn to turn back 180 degrees. This fortunately saved my life and the life of others on board as the plane was obviously not going to climb any longer and there was nowhere else to land. Be cautious of the stall and an spin. Learn of what your planes capabilities are, and I of course am very supportive and sold on a STOL kit! I think this was a HUGE factor in allowing me to get slow and continue to sustain lift and assist me in my turn.

I have attached a pic of the engine cylinder and the damage to my exhaust manifold.

Be careful out there my friends! Fly safe and have fun!

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Re: Almost crashed at Johnson Creek, ID

Wow, good thing you missed or that might have happened on takeoff.
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Re: Almost crashed at Johnson Creek, ID

That is just plain spooky! Your advice about knowing your plane's capabilities and practicing emergency maneuvers is solid and I'll spend more time on that work. I'm just wondering if there is any evolving advice on the preventative side of the equation? Did you save the blown jug for any special analyses? This seems like a pretty freaky failure. Do you have any feedback on the root cause of the failure or any suggestions about what kind of inspections might have caught the problem before the cylinder actually failed?
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Re: Almost crashed at Johnson Creek, ID

Fantastic job saving you and your family!

Your photo looks identical to the one on this page.
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/FAA-Pressing-Forward-With-ECI-Cylinder-AD221647-1.html
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Re: Almost crashed at Johnson Creek, ID

Csstricker,

Good job with the low level forced landing, a six second deal. I have never understood the school solution that we break off forced landing practice at 1500 feet or even 500 feet. That teaches nothing about the one that starts at 300 feet. It is incredible how steep you can turn with only a couple hundred feet of altitude, if you allow the nose to go down as it was designed to do. It is also amazing how easy the decision is, about where to go, when at low altitude.

Don't give all the credit to modifications. Your basic 182 was designed to fly that way when in the hands of a capable pilot like you.

Best regards,

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Re: Almost crashed at Johnson Creek, ID

Thanks for the reminder......your advice is excellent and you obviously did a great job in a very difficult situation.

We can all use reminders like yours to realize that hints can and do happen....

Good for you for doing a great job!

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Re: Almost crashed at Johnson Creek, ID

good job csstricker =D>
"I over flew the house and made an immediate tear drop back"
and that helped a lot right there with the tear drop turn
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Re: Almost crashed at Johnson Creek, ID

Great save!
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Re: Almost crashed at Johnson Creek, ID

Well done!
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Re: Almost crashed at Johnson Creek, ID

Thanks for sharing, so glad you guys are OK and great job handling the situation. You'd think an engine that got you there would keep on going.
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Re: Almost crashed at Johnson Creek, ID

We watched you go around and then make the very tight turn around the house.
I remember thinking that's the kind of cowboy flying that causes problems with the owners of the white house.
We didn't know you had engine problems, that was some great flying! Good Job!
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Good on you for sharing the experience with the rest of the group. Invaluable part of this community. Thank you.
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Re: Almost crashed at Johnson Creek, ID

As others have said, Great Job!. That had to be a very scary experience and a true "live or die" situation. I fly with my kids and the thought of that stuff happening scares the hell out of me. Tell us more about the cylinder? How old, how many hours, new or rebuilt etc...Not that it matters as that can happen to any of them, I'm just curious.
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Re: Almost crashed at Johnson Creek, ID

LOP operations? :lol:

Barnstormer wrote:Your photo looks identical to the one on this page.
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/FAA-Pressing-Forward-With-ECI-Cylinder-AD221647-1.html


Uh oh, now the FAA will want ADs on all Continental-type cylinders. :(

Crazy! Glad you're ok. I had beads of sweat forming as I read your story. Thank you for sharing your experience and providing all of the reminder tips for us.
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Re: Almost crashed at Johnson Creek, ID

I got in the habit long ago, like 35 years ago when flying 2 stroke powered ultralights, to do a tear drop (didn't know that was it's called) departure. I almost never fly straight out a runway heading but swing left or right maybe 15 degrees, all to make a prompt unplanned turnaround to the runway behind me easier. Just like not flying up the center of the canyon but to one side, and for the same reason.

Great job on that real life emergency :shock: =D>
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Re: Almost crashed at Johnson Creek, ID

So was it an ECI Cylinder?
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Re: Almost crashed at Johnson Creek, ID

Anyone know off the top of their heads if the pponk 0-470-50 super eagle has the ECI cylinders? I have one hanging of the front of my proud bird.


Great great save!!! 300 ft is nothing when your over the south trees at JC. I have done the min. altitude to turn back to the runway simulation at my home airport in a Husky. I never tried anything below 500ft......THAT WAS SCARY ENOUGH!!!! GOOD JOB!!!

Thanks for the reminder. Will be working on the tear drop return back to base in the 180 soon...
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Re: Almost crashed at Johnson Creek, ID

CSS, excellent job!

And thanks for sharing with us. It really puts an importance on EPs. You should be able to control your aircraft in its worst mode of flight.

Luckily for you and your family you could!
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Re: Almost crashed at Johnson Creek, ID

great job keeping your wits about u....and being a safe/capable bird.....!
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Re: Almost crashed at Johnson Creek, ID

Good job on the save,we watched the whole thing ,we've all done that same thing coming into jc the first time,not so sure ur might have shock cooled the beast coming in so fast. ,just my 2 cents ,I'm flying the same make and model,,,either way good job
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