mtv wrote:Heck, a good sawzall would take care of that in short order. I know of at least one Citation that went that route......made it into bite sizes for the R44 helicopter lift outta there.

MTV

Or a chop saw

Super-Maule wrote:.... Pictures and a write up in the local news paper will be out next Thursday too. Again bad "public relations", not my idea. ....

I would try to minimize the PR damage here. I would decline to comment to reporters, I would also think about parking a bulldozer truck whatever in front of the airplane to block it from view. Maybe take down the airport sign at the road for a while. Tell the pilot to keep his lip buttoned too, and don't mention anything to the media about when you're gonna move the airplane. In other words, make it a non-story and maybe they'll go away. Unfortunately the damage with your neighbors has already been done, but it wasn't anything that really effects them (like a takeoff crash might have been).

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As much as I hate to say it, i think its irresponsible to fly withous insurance, at least liability, we all suffer the consecuences of the one that dont.


Dan

PAMR MX wrote:Shoot people wreck 182 and super Cubs at 10000 ft runways. Sometimes mistakes happen. I hope no one posts pictures of mine if it happens.
Seems like the guy had a shitty time already. Throw him bone and help they guy get his plane out of there. Maybe he should have made a bloody mess and at least maybe the ntsb would have hauled it away for you and you wouldn't have anything to complain about.

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PAMR MX, straight up logical thinking. No reason to beat a guy up. We have all been there and those who claim to have not, well, bullshit.

3Blade wrote:PAMR MX, straight up logical thinking. No reason to beat a guy up. We have all been there and those who claim to have not, well, bullshit.

Yep, three folks thought it was me.

Tim

After I tore a wing off my Pawnee (no hull insurance,) the mechanic I was to lease from asked, "You've only crashed one? I'm not sure you have enough experience to lease my airplanes."

yeah Tim I looked close at that 182 before I determined it wasn't you...lol

So if the airstrip owner didn't or doesn't want bad PR about his airstrip, why have this thread on an open public forum?

And by watching the video, the airstrip was recently built in an area that already had many homes nearby. Did the owner of the airstrip ever expect no complaints from nearby neighbors??

3Blade wrote:PAMR MX, straight up logical thinking. No reason to beat a guy up. We have all been there and those who claim to have not, well, bullshit.

I've been there, but I have insurance to pay to clean up the mess. If someone is too cheap to pay insurance and then not have the funds to clean up without costing the owner of the strip $$ to fix things up, then don't land on the strip without permission. One thing if you have insurance, but IMO to be doing it without insurance is not cool.

A1Skinner wrote:

3Blade wrote:PAMR MX, straight up logical thinking. No reason to beat a guy up. We have all been there and those who claim to have not, well, bullshit.

I've been there, but I have insurance to pay to clean up the mess. If someone is too cheap to pay insurance and then not have the funds to clean up without costing the owner of the strip $$ to fix things up, then don't land on the strip without permission. One thing if you have insurance, but IMO to be doing it without insurance is not cool.

Thanks A1Skinner, Finally an intelligent reply, obviously written by an adult. The plan is to allow the pilot and his band of volunteers to attempt to retrieve the airplane next Friday. If he had insurance an adjuster would have already looked at the airplane and a professional would have removed the airplane from my property last week. If these "volunteers" have their act together, they should show up Friday morning with a tilt-bed car hauler, winch, plywood sheets, ratchet straps, tools, ladders, steel fuel containers, at least four guys, and a blue tarp to cover the whole mess. I'm not optimistic after talking to the pilot on the phone again.

James

The pilot absolutely should have insurance, he should have asked for permission, he should cover the cost of all damage to your property. Still no reason to drag him thru the mud via the Internet. Come to a mutual and reasonable solution for recovery, get the terms in writing, get it cleaned up, and you all could go on living life.

3Blade wrote:The pilot absolutely should have insurance, he should have asked for permission, he should cover the cost of all damage to your property. Still no reason to drag him thru the mud via the Internet. Come to a mutual and reasonable solution for recovery, get the terms in writing, get it cleaned up, and you all could go on living life.

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There used to be honor among men to make good on their errors when others were hurt. Yes, some dishonorable men disregarded their responsibility. That is not why we now have insurance. If you follow the money, would it not help lawyers to collect both for their clients and for themselves (this may add up to more than the hurt to the client) if the state had a law that enough money be kept in reserve either by bond or insurance to cover both the hurt and the lawyer?

I agree that in today's litigation happy culture, he should have had liability insurance. My question is: Did he offer to make good on his error? Also, would the price on that be the price of the hurt and the lawyer or just the price of the hurt?

I think Cary is an honest lawyer and an honest instructor. I would be interested in his legal opinion.

hey,,, bottom line is it says PVT on the sectional... that means, to me at least, that I don't land there without talking to MR PVT..... and in addition I am very gracious to MR PVT when I talk to him on the phone or whenever...... Now I haven't met James personally but I have talked to him here and in PM's... and I still would not land at his strip without calling him or having conversation on when I would arrive providing it was convenient to James...I would consider myself his guest and conduct myself accordingly...that having been said the fact that this guy just dropped in and fucked up, should be reason enough for him to be way more than gracious and open to James' desires... after all he is now a guest in James' house... I haven't talked to him but it seems James has and hasn't been impressed with the guys humility... just an asside... land unannounced on a indian reservation and your plane belongs to the tribe unless they decide to let you take off or haul it out.....just my two cents....

Its all none of my business but since its on the interweb I guess I will comment. The incident airplane pilot should have permission no doubt. He should also have liability insurance. If you can feed a six cylinder continental you should budget insurance into the equation. In regard to the removal of the a/c, if the owner had liability insurance the insurance company wouldn't be sending in a sky crane. They have a right to reasonable means to compensate and that's not a sky crane job. Yes, landowner is pissed and rightly so but there is a way to remove the aircraft without doing a lot of damage. I worked for one of the largest aircraft salvage dealers in the mid west and we picked up a lot of those. Seems like the public relations uproar is pretty ridiculous, there will always be the "what ifs" on how dangerous a private strip is and those that don't understand will always exist. Hope the landowner is taken care of properly but my guess if the "older" pilot didn't have insurance then he probably don't have any extra money either.

Hello Back Country Pilots,

2343 view already, wow!

Well time will tell. Hopefully the pilot will show up with his crew of volunteers ready to remove the Cessna 182 next Friday. I don't want any monetary compensation, just this airplane off my property. My plan is to merely to observe the operation to minimize damage to my airstrip. A pilot/attorney friend of mine suggested that I don't assist or supervise the retrieval of the airplane, due to liability issues. This goes against my nature. My neighbors and I share, heavy equipment, tools and labor routinely. As an example, if I utilize my wheel tractor to pull the plane off the rocks and there is additional damage, I am liable (this sucks). I don't want to sign waivers or releases.

As far as dragging the pilot's name through the mud, I didn't know the N number was visible on one of the pictures. The computer trolls on this site posted the FAA data, not me. I didn't contact the local Sheriff either, my neighbors did. In addition, I declined filing trespass charges when asked. Anyway I hope things go well next Friday with the "volunteers". The pilot/owner is unwilling to hire a professional, although I understand he has the means ($$$) to do so. I also don't want the Sheriff to have to dispatch a wrecker if the volunteers don't work out. It's not the airplanes fault.

Cheers,

James

I agree I couldnt see any n numbers in your pictures and any enhancements to expose the pilots name are rather despicable as I see, it but then this site has in the past couple years attracted a different crowd than was originally on here....It's why I'm more particular as to who is welcome in my campsite...soldier on James.....