Greetings, I have idea's for dust control at gravel strips.Wilgabeast and others think we need idea's too.
There was some pilots blasting the hell out of other planes,people,children.
2011=The worst was the guy taxied to camping with a tiny taildragger,champ? blk stripes and blk stars ,
This idiot taxie's in to a dead end,looks at a mother with small children at her tent, holds the left brake and blows the tent over and blasts the family for what seemed like a long time. like an old friend said once,
"It dont get no Dumber than that" ..Why not shut down and turn it by hand ?
One Idea = Towing in /out of camping area.
One Skywagon pilot borrowed Rods 4 wheeler,towed his plane to the runway downwind of the Lodge and untied.It only takes 10 seconds to unhook the rope,Then taxied downwind doing mag chk, TO and liftoff before the lodge.
Caveman might supply a wheeler ,and a pilot volunteer who knows planes and wheelers might work.
Run Ups on the runway around other planes can be done at an angle to blast the dust sideways.

Pilots might like to know in advance if towing help is available,
It might work to have a sign by the taxiway east of the lodge going into camping for those that dont know,
Shut off and tow from here, We can help with wheeler. ? There is no traffic jam there,and room to move aside.
We enjoyed the 2011 fly in alot from Mn. We might be in Awesome Utah camping/wheeling/hiking in May.
If we're still around for the caveman dates, we can volunteer .
Happy Day,Lew & Anita

Sadly some of those same pilits will pull up to Bazillionaire in the boss' Learjet and wheel around in front of an open hangar with an airplane up on jacks. Clueless is clueless regardless of what you fly.

porterjet wrote:Sadly some of those same pilits will pull up to Bazillionaire in the boss' Learjet and wheel around in front of an open hangar with an airplane up on jacks. Clueless is clueless regardless of what you fly.

We can try
make a sign painters day
"Dumb Ass Free Zone"..... "No Rich Guy Jet Blast"
"Dont blast in open hanger doors"

Dust control at Caveman is like cloths at a stripper convention. Not likely to happen. I was at CM for mudfest. Be happy with dust.

1 tug seems complicated if there's going to be 50-100 planes.

It's Utah, the sand is part of the experience. If you see someone blowing sand, perhaps respectfully inform them there is a better way to do it and lend a helping hand. I think a fly-in handout informing pilots of basic procedures and practices along with the waiver might be a better option.

Let me out myself on this one. Not all dust blowers are untrainable, some honestly just don't realize what a taxi setting, or a quick burst to start the roll, does behind them. I know this because I've done it.

I've only had my Maule for a few months and my previous flying had all been in highly improved airports.

So a couple months ago I was taking a friend up for a flight and we taxied down to his end of the airport afterward to do a quick oil change. When we were done I started the engine, looked for everything to go into the green and then goosed the throttle a bit to start the roll.

I saw my buddy look embarrassed, wave for me to continue and start walking behind the plane. Fortunately he's a spanish speaker and after multiple disculpas (apologies) the skydivers that were enjoying a post-jump-day round of cervazas on the other side of the gravel laughed at me and forgave the indiscretion.

So, long story short, I think a reminder about this issue in the NOTAM for the event is a fine idea. Some people will still be idiots, but if it stops even a handful of people from making the mistake it seems worth it.

I remember the first fly-in I ever went to. Great fun, but without realizing it I did the same things described here (it was not a BCP fly-in). I just didn't realize what I was doing. Another pilot ran out, stopped me and nicely explained to me what I had done, then explain HOW things should be done. I was very thankful he had the courage to stop and educate me.

I agree with having a handout. But also, there is nothing wrong with explaining to someone what they are doing and why they shouldn't do it. Like me, they may have not even considered the ramifications of their actions. We are probably all guilty of being a dumb ass at some time.

Also, this discussion will probably help some to think about this prior to their arrival. None of us want to spoil a good time for others.

I suspect all of us have unintentionally played DA at one time or another, but certainly at dusty/gravelly places, it's more of a problem. Being aware of the issue is the first step in preventing it. I've never been to Caveman and likely can't make it this year, but I've been to enough gravel/dirt strips to have seen the results of non-thinking. Cooperating with each other in getting airplanes moving is probably one of the easiest things to do; a couple of guys pushing on the struts can really reduce the need to add too much power.

Cary

Good thread and subject for discussion. I agree: a Notam of sorts and a discussion like this, along with a friendly reminder if needed, goes a long way. I remember the first time I unknowingly blasted someone and ever since try to be very cognoscente of my prop blast. Unfortunately, you see a lot of the gun and go every year with no regard to their six or direction of turn. Watch a morning launch at JC for example.

Sometimes there just isn't a good option and you have to pick between two evils. When I can, I try to go over and give a fair warning that they might get a little prop blast in those situations.

Get all ready. Start, oil pressure, get moving away from others. It is the guy who sets by camp for 5 min doing his check list.

Have any of you visited a diesel motor repair shop ?
The opinion is this.. it doesn't take long to dust "ruin" a motor in a day if the air filter is replaced wrong.
My Cessna /Conti uses direct unfiltered air whan using carb heat.Use CH or not,the dust is going in there.
There is no way to clean out the carb heat intake system without dissasembly.
Do you think the dust Magicly dissapears over time ? Its going in one direction some day into the motor.
So how do you people do maint in that dust ?
I have worn out many toys enjoying every day and not minding patching,bending back in shape. but...
I'll go into those short strips, but a poker run with my wagon getting blasted ? eeeeks

Another carb heat story; Whats in there waiting to surprise you ?
I left my plane at a friends farm in SD after pheasant hunting.
I left in about O/O, didn't break out at 10000 feet, so I returned and parked at his farm.
2 weeks later I returned for the plane, almost O/O but broke out on top at 10k at night.
Just as the nose was breaking through, the motor started missing, went for carb heat
and sucken in snow..and sank back into the clouds..no problem..got it started a bit later.
Sorry to bore you, but I'd rather have snow and ice than a pile of sand in the CH system..

Happy Day

Nearly all carbed aircraft bypass the airfilter when the carb heat is pulled on. When you're on dusty strips, you sure don't want to do the run-up in place. It works pretty well to do a rolling run-up, and as long as the wind isn't blowing the dust back onto your airplane, your engine won't be inhaling much dust during the short time you pull on the carb heat. If you have a carb temp gauge, you don't have to do anything with the carb heat other than to make sure it works, if you just take a look at the carb's throat temp and it's either well above or well below freezing (not likely below on a dusty strip).

Cary