I was just checking out the new Desser Aero Classic tires at Stoddards today. They had a small batch in stock of the new tires that are now TSO approved. They weighed 27lbs each making them a few lbs less then the Ak bush wheel 31. The are also around 800$ each.
What is the lightest 10" wheel around? I see Desser has a photo of one mounted but I can't tell the maker of the wheel.

Does Desser recommend a wheel width?
ABW produces both a 10" x 6.5" wheel, specifically intended for 35" BW's,
and a 10" x 10" wheel, for 35" BW's as well as Airhawks.
I believe the old GarAero 10" adapters give you the equivalent of the 10" wide wheel.
Matco makes 8" wheels which will fit the 27" Dessers, as I belive Grove does also, but I don't think either of them make a 10" wheel.
I've seen the 850x10 & 29" tubed tires mounted on GarAero adapters, to me it looks like the wheel is too wide. I'd be inclined to choose something narrower.

I just bought a set, they're in my hangar. I plan on putting them on the wheels I currently run from Airframes Alaska. They're for a 10" wide wheel.

I'll probably only run them on trips I do to the backcountry fly-ins. I do alot of runways and have the 29" asphalt tires for that.

Looking forward to trying them out!

So what tire pressure can you run these tubeless at without blowing a bead (if that's even possible) or going flat???

I have a set of 27 inch dessers on matco rims, and after doing a little work scoring the rims, and a little weather strip adhesive, I can run as low as 5 lbs with no sign of slippage. But I do occasionally have to add a little air to keep them at 5 lbs.

I've been debating putting them on ABW 10X6.50 wheels and drilling screws in the beads to run at low pressure. I don't think you would get much benefit mounting them on 10x10 wheel vs a 10x6.50.

The ABI-1010 wheel with the 164-08300 Brake disc = 15.2 lbs

Weighed a 29 tube today.

Just put these on our Wilgas.... Onto the 10x10 ABW.

They look sweet!

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PAMR MX wrote:Weighed a 29 tube today.

They weigh more with air in them- adds about a pound.

Just about a pound huh? I thought for sure it would be more since they are pretty big.

Depends on where you are. For example, lotsa hot air in Washington DC so it weighs a little less there.

Spoke with the Desser rep for quite some time at the Airman's Show this weekend about these tires and what the wheel options are. The only thing out there at the moment are the Gar Aero 10" adapters for 6" wheels or the ABI 10x10. After checking out the tire up close (which by the way looks and feels awesome) and seeing it mounted on the raffle cub with the Gar Aero set up, it really looks like the best option would be to have the tire on a 10x6.5 wheel. The Desser rep agreed. Problem at the moment is that the only option there is the ABI 10x6.50, but it doesn't have the valve stem hole drilled in the wheel. That wheel was specifically designed for the 35" bushwheels. Sources say that Grove, has in the works, a 10x6.50 tubeless wheel that should be out in a few months. We all know that a few months can mean much longer, so I went and talked to the Airframes AK guys about my desire to put the Desser tire on their 10x6.50 wheel and the response I got was less than what I would call professional. Zero desire to try and see what could be done to come up with a solution. Just bad mouthing another company. I sure do hope that Grove comes out with their 10x6.5 tubeless wheel sooner than later. I think they will be a great combination for those wanting something in between Air Hawks and Bushwheels.

I can't say as I blame them much. To be fair, you can't expect them to be interested in doing something special just so that you can buy their competitor's product instead of theirs. Try calling Ford and asking them to set up an F150 to accept a Chevy engine and see what kind of response you get.

hotrod180 wrote:I can't say as I blame them much. To be fair, you can't expect them to be interested in doing something special just so that you can buy their competitor's product instead of theirs. Try calling Ford and asking them to set up an F150 to accept a Chevy engine and see what kind of response you get.

Ditto, and consider that ANY modification to these TSOd wheels would mean they'd have to go play mother may I with the FAA again.....for what--so you can buy someone else's tires. They built these wheels specifically for THEIR tires.

Desser is the one I'd be questioning.....building a tire with no logical wheels to mount it on???? Good for them, but.....half a solution.

I would be VERY careful running these tires tubeless at low pressures. You're going to be on little slip away from a potentially very bad outcome.

MTV

If one can obtain an approval, Cessna’s 188 AgWagon with the optional 8.50-10 tire used a Cleveland 7.50-10 main wheel assy pn 40-101 or 40-101A (both tube type, but there is a tubeless variant according to Parker.com Product Catalog AWBPC0001-18USA).

I second MTV’s caution about running tubeless tires with low pressure absent some kind of beadlock (not aware of any approvals for such, btw). Personally, I will tolerate the weight of a tube.

Interesting to see what Grove comes up with given their experience in TSO’d and STC’d articles. Ref http://www.groveaircraft.com/cert.html.

Beringer-aero.com has also shown an interest in backcountry applications, and has a 10-inch wheel, pn RF-011, tho not listed as TSO'd. Ref http://www.beringer-aero.com/en/product ... kes-14.htm

akgreg wrote:so I went and talked to the Airframes AK guys about my desire to put the Desser tire on their 10x6.50 wheel and the response I got was less than what I would call professional. Zero desire to try and see what could be done to come up with a solution. Just bad mouthing another company. I sure do hope that Grove comes out with their 10x6.5 tubeless wheel sooner than later. I think they will be a great combination for those wanting something in between Air Hawks and Bushwheels.

I looked at doing the same thing and just drilling the valve stem hole myself. I'm glad to see that ABW has some competition, they make great quality products but 1800$s for a 31" tire is insane. And yes for all the keyboard heroes out there I KNOW it's not cheap to get PMA approval or an STC but they would sell a lot more tires if they were just a bit cheaper. The Grove wheel sounds nice but I would never run a tubeless tire, it's just asking for trouble, the safest bet is putting screws in the beads.

It seems odd that they didn't make a tire of this overall dimension for 6" tires. To fit standard gear configurations. Would make them truly an incredible value. Instead, they have an approved tire without an approved gear to put it on. That seems likely to be very limiting.

C185D wrote:

akgreg wrote:so I went and talked to the Airframes AK guys about my desire to put the Desser tire on their 10x6.50 wheel and the response I got was less than what I would call professional. Zero desire to try and see what could be done to come up with a solution. Just bad mouthing another company. I sure do hope that Grove comes out with their 10x6.5 tubeless wheel sooner than later. I think they will be a great combination for those wanting something in between Air Hawks and Bushwheels.

I looked at doing the same thing and just drilling the valve stem hole myself. I'm glad to see that ABW has some competition, they make great quality products but 1800$s for a 31" tire is insane. And yes for all the keyboard heroes out there I KNOW it's not cheap to get PMA approval or an STC but they would sell a lot more tires if they were just a bit cheaper. The Grove wheel sounds nice but I would never run a tubeless tire, it's just asking for trouble, the safest bet is putting screws in the beads.

Actually, since you're close, you should go to ABW and get an idea of all the hand work that goes into those tires. And, yes, the BIG difference is that Bushwheels are STCd. And that is huge. Just because the Dessers are TSOd does not mean you can just bolt them on, unless of course, you're Experimental.

MTV

So let me get this straight,

Airframes 10x10 wheel is drilled for tubes so OTHER BRANDS of tires can be mounted on them and I pose the question to them about doing the same thing to their 10x6.50 wheels. I get a poor response and I'm the tool for asking that question? "What did you expect"? "Ford vs Chevy"? Seriously?? What the hell did you miss about them being savvy enough to drill the 10x10's so they could sell more?

The Airframes AK 10x6.5 wheel kicks ass. The new Desser tire looks to fit my needs exactly. I just want to marry the two. That is it. Plain and simple.

And the whole STC, field approval, TSO, certified, experimental, blah blah blah has nothing to do with it.