A1Skinner wrote:That little trigger switch is pretty awesome. So I've grown to enjoy my electric flaps. I wouldn't let the choice sway me in a purchasing decision, I feel like there are far bigger things to sway decisions then electric vs manual flaps...

Is it just tonight? or is it the holiday season and we are being gifted all the strangers for the season Howdy!

And, your 502 has a flap the size of the whole flippin wing on a Pitts special, you bet it'd take one heck of a bar to pull that sucker

asa wrote:And any good DeHavilland disciple knows that mechanical vs electric is a dumb question because the path to enlightenment is manual hydraulic flaps.

You sir, are the kind of sato masochist pilot that'd get along just fine with an M-18 Dromader and while the Beav remains one of my coveted airsheens to fly, I find it to be exactly like a Giant cub.... Slooow... easy peasy to fly OK, but amazing when handed to an exceptionally proficient in type.

Where is Barnstormer Phil on this deal? it's the season and all...

Take care, Rob

Where's EZ Flap?

DENNY wrote: The big advantage of electric flaps is not having to have them partially deployed on the start of a take off run. Pacer/Cessna 180/185 are really bad for Hobbit types, even in a PA 18 you need 1/2 flaps or you are going to have to lower your head on the reach for the handle .....

I keep expecting EZ Flap to chime in .....

Dumping electric flaps in the air is just kinda silly. A 206 needs more space to take off than to land, so you can do a normal landing all day long, leave the flaps down till roll out, and you will still use up less than you need to take off. Flashy, sure, necessary? No.

Rob wrote:Is it just tonight? or is it the holiday season and we are being gifted all the strangers for the season Howdy!....

Where is Barnstormer Phil on this deal? it's the season and all...

Take care, Rob

You guys did such a good job answering this I felt no need to chime in.

But in the spirit of Jolly Ole Saint Nick...Merry Christmas all.

Is a hotdog a sandwich? Electric vs Manual?

I prefer a Johnson bar but I certainly can operate a flap switch too. I prefer a double rifle over a bolt action rifle when hunting dangerous game too. Why? Mostly cause I like old school. Although I'll be the first to praise Redline brakes over drum brakes so there is that.

In STOL competition, with equally very skilled pilots and equal planes, I'd expect the Johnson bar to win only because the speed at which the flaps can be deployed and dumped. But that's competition. For the everyday pilot I doubt they could tell the difference.

Another advantage of a Johnson bar is infinite flap adjustment (compared to position based switches), but of course only if you keep the button depressed. Couple this with the visceral feedback of a Johnson bar and I've got a tool that lets me add in or take out flaps based on both lift and mechanical feedback which has its advantages when flying near the edge. Unimportant for the everyday pilot.

I certainly agree I would not base the purchase of a plane on the flap actuating mechanism alone. The capability of the flaps, yes.

So back to my original question, is a hotdog a sandwich?

Barnstormer wrote:
So back to my original question, is a hotdog a sandwich?

Now this is the kind of philosophical conversation I can get into.

I'm going to say no, it's sleeved charcuterie. Makes my mouth water all the same.

A hot dog can be a sandwich if it’s between two slices of bread or if the roll has been separated into two pieces. On an intact roll, of course not. AND just to continue, there is no such thing as a boneless chicken wing. That is called a tender…

Pete

P.S. my wife confirms.

"The visceral feedback of a Johnson bar". MODERATORS!!!!

And since I can take it - I love my EZ flap handle. Never look for the flap handle, never have to look from throttle to flap. Haters hate.

daedaluscan wrote:"The visceral feedback of a Johnson bar". MODERATORS!!!!
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Sounds like a review for my favorite erotic novella.

And back to the subject.

I don’t always fly planes with flaps, but when I do..I prefer manual.

Zzz wrote:

Barnstormer wrote:
So back to my original question, is a hotdog a sandwich?

Now this is the kind of philosophical conversation I can get into.

I'm going to say no, it's sleeved charcuterie. Makes my mouth water all the same.

Yes. But is pizza a sandwich? Ny style can only be eaten folded…

SmokeyTheBear wrote:

Zzz wrote:

Barnstormer wrote:
So back to my original question, is a hotdog a sandwich?

Now this is the kind of philosophical conversation I can get into.

I'm going to say no, it's sleeved charcuterie. Makes my mouth water all the same.

Yes. But is pizza a sandwich? Ny style can only be eaten folded…

That’s a taco, then?

Zzz wrote:

SmokeyTheBear wrote:

Zzz wrote:

Barnstormer wrote:
So back to my original question, is a hotdog a sandwich?

Now this is the kind of philosophical conversation I can get into.

I'm going to say no, it's sleeved charcuterie. Makes my mouth water all the same.

Yes. But is pizza a sandwich? Ny style can only be eaten folded…

That’s a taco, then?

Yes. But a taco is also a sandwich.

Don't even get me started on if cereal is soup...

You guys are just making me hungry.

It depends a lot of the type of aircraft and design of the flap.

In the Bearhawk for STOL work, yes you want manual and electric is certainly too slow, because:
- you can remove lift instantly in gusty conditions or crosswinds
- it allows you to add or remove weight from the tail, for braking or saving the tailwheel

A1Skinner wrote:I've never had electric flaps suddenly retract because a cable broke

I have... On final approach with 40 degrees on a C-172. Suddenly a loud bang and the airplane rolls one way and yaws the other. I wasn't slow, so control wasn't an issue. (wasn't over speed either) Control the airplane, looked out at the left flap and saw if fully retracted. Did a go-around, retracted the.... flap... and then did a no-flap landing. Startling, but not a big deal.