dirtstrip wrote:
How could a company in start up mode be able to produce an engine for 8 or 9k with US labor, how is that possible?
Won't they face the same costs as other engine manufacturers?
By not having a huge bloated corporate bureaucracy, 500 secretaries and 500 vice presidents, a huge office building, and not being owned by two or three shell companies and a holding company and an offshore bank and 200 lawyers, and most importantly by not having 50 non-aviation corporate rodent "managers" who justify their existence by not letting airplane people make airplane decisions.
By not selling their F***ING engine manufacturing machinery and tooling, and then having to farm out life-critical parts to the lowest F***ING bidder.
By not having F***ING shareholders to answer to, because you can get sued or thrown out by shareholders if you do something that costs them ten F***ING cents a share even though it was the safer thing to do.
The engine designs are already certified, no money needs to be spent on new engine certification for the time being. so this becomes a manufacturing issue. They need people in-house who know aluminum casting, and steel forging, and machining, etc. ... done in-house, not out-house like a certain company in Williamsport did. If they do it all in-house, they have tighter PMA control, which means a lot less time and paperwork and outsource headaches with the FAA. Their insurance will be less because the insurance is not covering two or twelve sets of manufacturing crews and companies and whatever. Also, the price of your engine is lower because only one company has to make a profit .
They can do it by having a wise and steady leader who still wields an absolute dictatorship (think Paul Poberezny) in an office next to the production floor, not a "boardroom" or even a democracy in a separate building. By having that dictator be fair and sincere and caring for his/her workers, but bargaining directly with the workers and staying non-union to keep the union BS the hell out of his company (We now have laws and rules that address the injustices back in the days of the "industrial revolution". So a union is now a very expensive bloated bureaucracy itself, addressing problems that no longer exist to a degree that justifies their existence, and unions have a modern history of causing more problems than they solve).
Oh crap, did it again... where's my medicine!?


I can see the potential market at some point in their life time repowering most of the existing C-172s or the C-150 with either a Franklin 180 or 220 or 125 Hp engine, when parts and complete engines become readily available, and it comes time to repower there is no comparison between flying behind a Franklin 220 as compared to a Lyc 180. How many home builders would like a fresh Franklin to plug into their home built? When Franklin makes a comeback, would Aircraft manufactures once again consider putting them in there aircraft? another point is the interchangeability of parts, many of the Franklin engines used the same parts, Connecting rods, wrist pins, lifters, oil pumps, bearings, pistons, rings, valves, cylinder castings can be rebuilt many times due to their one piece design all these things add up and help keep manufacturing and maintains costs down.