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Heated Tents

Late fall and early winter are my favorite times to fly and camp. Cool weather camping has many advantages, but I don’t like the cold more than anyone else, and probably less than most folks.

I’ve got five different tents, two tarps and a jungle hammock that I use when I’m alone. Last year after long consideration I pulled the trigger on a floor-less teepee tent and titanium stove combination. My thinking was to have a dry, heated base camp at the airplane…a bit of luxury and comfort waiting for us when we come in soaking wet from a backpacking trip and the weather holds us down for a couple more days, or when the Middle Fork is still snow-free in February and the weather lets us in.

After a week of slogging through soaking wet brush the thought of a heated spot back at the airfield is pretty appealing.
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I’ve been using floor-less tents for years, mostly as ultralight backpacking and kayaking shelters. One of the advantages is you can cook in them when the weather is nasty.
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Even a small alcohol stove will dramatically warm the air inside a tent, though without a chimney you need to leave the doors open.
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Several manufactures make the teepee tents and titanium stoves. I went with Seek Outside because I thought they offered the best features. I have no affiliation with Seek Outside and paid full retail for my tent and stove, so this isn’t a plug.

Early March at 5,000 feet. Rather cool mornings. Sitting around a campfire is great but when the wind picks up or it starts raining/snowing it doesn't work that well anymore.
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Quality wise I’m happy with the product, and I’m rather particular. My only grudge is that they don’t seam seal their products at the factory, so you have to do that yourself. It’s not difficult, but it takes time.

I opted for the eight-person tent and “large” stove for my wife and I. Eight-person is really a best-case measurement with no stove, no gear, and people who really get along well, but it’s fantastic for two people with a stove and firewood storage and all our gear spread out. With the stove and stove pipe it still weighs less than 10 pounds, which is less than our North Face three person tent.

Floor-less, single-wall tents are not for everyone or for everywhere. For starters, you’re going to be closer to nature than you will be in a floored tent. The way the Seek Outside tent is designed it’s pretty mosquito proof depending on where you get to pitch it, but whatever bugs are still hatching out of the ground are coming right inside. Rodents can also get in, and if you cook inside the tent for any length of time, they will.

A properly pitched floor-less tent will keep the mosquitos out, but crawling bugs can find their way in.
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The single-wall construction means there’s going to be condensation inside the tent. You can buy a liner that ties inside the tent but I didn’t bother as it seemed like a lot of hassle, so I can’t say whether they work well or not. Once the fire is lit the condensation goes away pretty fast anyway.

One of the many reasons I chose Seek Outside is because they offer two ground-to-peak doors with (optional) bug netting. That means you can have cross ventilation and still keep the mosquitos at bay. I’ve been camping in bugs bad enough that I seriously considered starting up the plane so I could sit in the prop wash, so this feature was appealing to me. It works pretty well, though if the tent is in the sun it’s going to get warm in there, ventilation or not.

But it’s the ability to heat the tent that really sets it apart. We recently spent four days camped in the rain. Wind, temps in the 40’s, just flat out wet and cold day after day. Our biggest problem was keeping cool enough once the stove was lit. We’d lounge around in our underwear sipping rum and lemonade, sprawled out in thermarest chairs and playing cribbage while the rain pissed down and the stove dried out our wet pants from the mornings’ hike. It was the difference between enduring four days and flat out enjoying them. In fact, the rainy days were the favorite days of our trip.

Getting soaking wet while hiking or fishing just isn’t a big deal when you know you have a hot stove and a large dry patch of real estate to hang out in afterward. The stove has a spark arrestor, and I’ve never gotten a burn hole no matter how pitchy the wood is.
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Pitching a tarp like a porch helps immensely in constant rain, regardless of the tent design. Note the sleeping bags hanging up and drying out after the dampness of three days of rain.
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Pretty common for the whole stove and half the pipe to be glowing red-hot. There is a door for the stove that’s not shown. Drying out clothing, bedding, rifles, etc. is a real bonus when you're out for a long time.
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Pitching a teepee tent isn’t quite as easy as pitching a floored tent. I highly recommend doing it at home a few times till you get the hang of it. Once you figure it out it’s fine, but it takes some practice to get the tension right on all sides. Measuring the peg distances on a proper pitch and then making a ruler out of cord help immensely. If you pitch it correctly it will withstand an astounding amount of wind. One nice feature is there are two sets of tie downs on each tent, so an 8-person tent can be pitched as a 6-person if that’s all the space you have to work with.

Some things to keep in mind if you look at going this route: The floor space is just that…floor space. A sitting, kneeling or standing person is restricted to a much smaller area inside the tent, and the stove takes up some room, too. The eight person is great for two people and would be great for three. Four people inside the tent would easily work, but they wouldn’t be quite as happy as we were after four days of rain. On the other hand, the bigger the tent, the bigger a space you need to pitch it. Small children or dogs could potentially be disastrous with the wood stove. At less than three pounds, it would’t take much to kick it over.

Seek Outside offers two weights of fabric. I went with the lightest even though I plan to use the tent primarily out of the plane. I just wanted the option to pack it if I so chose. The stoves are really quite small but they heat the tent up incredibly well. Just remember that the smaller the stove, the smaller you have to cut your firewood. You can’t just stuff pieces in like with a cast iron stove…they have to fit easily or you’re going to damage the stove.

They also make a “nest”, which is an enclosed sleeping area you can pitch inside the main tent. I got one and I’ve used it but I’m not entirely sold on it. I’m 6’5” and while there’s enough floor space, the tapered walls are a bit tight for me.

Seek Outside doesn’t give these away, but neither do any of the other companies that make them. The single wall tent material is inherently expensive and there’s a lot of sewing. It’s good value for money if you’re serious about quality gear and this design fits your needs.

In summary, this style tent is a real game changer for cold or wet weather camping. It’ll increase your comfort several hundred percent, and the worse the weather the more you’ll love it. If you just do summer trips in good weather then it’s overkill. If the occasional rodent running across your sleeping bag is completely unacceptable then this isn’t the right design for you, either. I would have concerns using it in heavy snake country, especially for extended periods that would allow snakes to crawl into sleeping bags, wood piles, etc.. Of course if snakes are out and about, you really don’t need a heated tent anyway. You can use the tent without the stove of course, but it’s the stove that really makes this system shine.
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I've never had a wood heating stove inside a tent, although I've seen them at Jax, one of our local sporting goods stores, and at Cabela's (everybody knows Cabela's, right?). But I do use a Portable Buddy heater in my tent when it's really cold out. It is a catalytic heater, safe to use indoors as long as there is some ventilation. It has no outside exhaust (no pipe needed) but doesn't need it, as the catalyst does away with the CO issues. It does need oxygen, and it has an oxygen depletion sensor which will shut it off if there's insufficient oxygen, In a 3 season tent, that's not an issue, because most of them have gobs of ventilation. It has 2 settings, and the lowest will keep the tent shirt sleeve warm in 35-40F weather. It also has a tip over valve, so that if it gets bumped, it shuts off. It's front grate gets pretty hot, but the rest of it stays quite cool, so there's no issue about damaging tent fabric.

My Big Agnes Big House 4 is theoretically large enough for 4 people, but they'd have to like each other awfully well. It's super for 2 people, or one and dog, which is my typical setting. With my old one, I did do some cooking once in the rain in the vestibule with one of the flaps open all the way. It has no floor, but I didn't feel very comfortable with an open flame under the tent fabric, even with the stove on the ground, so I haven't repeated that.

I certainly agree with you that it's nice to have a warm tent in cold and wet weather. I've been razzed a bit about my "glamping" with most of the comforts of home, but why not be comfortable? I quit needing to prove my "manliness" decades ago. :)

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Hey great write up!! I have been interested in a larger tent that can accommodate a wood stove. I would really like an arctic oven but they are 1. Very heavy and 2 very expensive.
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Love my floorless tent! Maybe not for everyone, but I wouldn't consider anything else guiding sheep and goat hunts. Just under 7lbs WITH a liner and a stove, combined with the ability to stand up, it simply cannot be beaten. Titanium Goat is my brand of choice, but they're all pretty good. Also really like the GoLite Shangri-La 5, but they went bankrupt :/

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Interesting write up. I'm a self admitted wimp when it come to tenting in the cold. It's uncivilized and not comfortable when it come to getting up in the morning. Portable wood stoves are good, if there is a dry source of fuel, but for reliability and convenience, I think Propane is the way to go, clean vented heating is also the best option for comfort. I have considered getting a Zodi vented tent heater, The small one appears to be small and light weight and uses twin 16oz tanks. Unfortunately it does require electricity for the fan, but it could be just run an hour or so before getting up to, take the chill off and warm up your clothes.
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Great thread, and photos!


I love heated tents.. Still need to get one though.

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My favorite aunt & uncle used to do a lot of horseback camping & hunting, they had a steel fold-up wood stove that worked great. Unfold it, throw in a layer of dirt of sand on the bottom, load the wood in, and fire it up. Used to get red hot, it was pretty thin material (for lightness) so burning through it was probably a valid concern. About 25 years ago, the forest service came out with new rules (in the Olympic NF anyway) about no open fires above 3000', & no cutting down live trees for firewood. That was fine, but the one time some ranger types visited our hunting camp they didn't seem to know the difference between an open fire and an enclosed woodstove, also didn't believe we gathered blowdown & otherwise dead wood and didn't cut down any trees for our fuel. Also gave us a hard time about our stock being tied to picket pins, instead of to a highline (another new rule). About that time, the neighboring hunting camp's horse herd blew through our camp just running loose, so they decided to go give them a hard time. It probably didn't go too well for them, the guy who owned the stock was pretty salty & had a reputation for not putting up with much bullshit.
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We recently spent a week in Idaho at elevation, and as always we just loved being there when most folks are elsewhere. Late October in the Frank has pros and cons, but a heated tent is a definite pro. It ranged from a low of 17 to a high of 54, which is a pretty comfortable range, but once the sun went down it seemed chilly for lightweights like us.

Frosty cold in the mornings...around 17~20 degrees.
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An hour's effort with a small saw and sharp axe makes enough wood for a evening and morning. The ground logs keep the split wood away from the "dry" ground and keeps them burning hot.
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Dry wood burns nice and hot.
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Lodgepole pine throws a good flame. NICE and warm inside there.
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Having a heated tent sure makes living in the cold more enjoyable. I sure enjoy having a wood stove inside my tent.
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Lodgepole pine throws a good flame.

Lodgepole is BTU full fuel.
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Hammer, How do you preheat your plane when it is that cold? Reason I ask is I can't bring myself to use any kind of fuel heat in a synthetic material tent. I've see firsthand what happens and I just can't do it. My thought is I don't really need a tent heater if it is warm enough to not need a engine preheat. I'll have a Reiff preheater on the plane and a small generator so bringing a electric heater might be an option, though I'm not sure that will be any safer. I'd like to find a fuel heater I could use in the tent because it gets cold on early spring rafting trips.
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Cool thread...
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I think it's more of a warm one.
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whee wrote:Hammer, How do you preheat your plane when it is that cold? Reason I ask is I can't bring myself to use any kind of fuel heat in a synthetic material tent. I've see firsthand what happens and I just can't do it. My thought is I don't really need a tent heater if it is warm enough to not need a engine preheat. I'll have a Reiff preheater on the plane and a small generator so bringing a electric heater might be an option, though I'm not sure that will be any safer. I'd like to find a fuel heater I could use in the tent because it gets cold on early spring rafting trips.


I use a MSR International stove that burns 100LL. Not the Whisperlite...the one that sounds like a jet engine. The Whisperlite won't burn 100LL for more than a few minutes before the lead clogs it up. It sits inside a piece of household ducting I cut air holes into, with a common dryer vent hose running to the plane. Whole thing weighs around two pounds, maybe less. It'll raise the CHT and oil temps into the 50's within an hour.

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I don't know what to recommend for heating a tent other than the stove. A generator on the river doesn't sound right to me at all (pun unintentional but apt), not to mention being illegal on most rivers.

Maybe just bring an extra-large kettle and settle for a litre of steaming coco and a hot water bottle inside the drysuit when you get up.

Regarding the safety of the stove in a silicone nylon tent: like most other things, it's as safe as you make it. Pitched poorly the tent will move under wind and the stove pipe can get pulled off the stove. That's going to be an issue. Pitched properly the tent doesn't move at all even in high wind and the stove pipe stays attached.

Managing space and movement inside the tent is important and I wouldn't recommend it for people with large dogs or small children, at least if they're going to be let inside the tent. But with a proper pitch and reasonable precautions I think it's solid.

That said, pitching a teepee tent and assembling the stove isn't something I'd be inclined to do on a river trip where I was moving every day. It's much better suited to situations where you're going to stay put for a couple days or when it gets dark at four in the afternoon and there's nothing better to do than sit and read.
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That looks like a nice simple clean design preheater.
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I love my Seek Outside 6 man and stove. I use a heavy duty re-usable shopping bag for a "wood box" and house wrap for for a bit of a floor. Works well.
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Hammer wrote:A generator on the river doesn't sound right to me at all (pun unintentional but apt), not to mention being illegal on most rivers.

I would never, ever, ever take a generator on a river trip! Cold mornings don't bother me, it is the kids I worry about. We just use nalgene bottles filled with hot water when the kids go to bed and foot/hand warmers in the mornings but it sure would be nice to heat the tent for the kids. Perhaps a asbestos blanket placed under a Mr. Heater would work well. Our REI Kingdom 8 is a big tent so it will probably take a fair amount of heat to keep warm and having a heater that I can just toss in a dry box would be nice.
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We use a Mr. Heater big buddy to warm the tent before slipping into the sleeping bag. In the morning relight, lay back and listen to the wind rustle the leaves, bugs , birds or the pitter patter of rain... Takes a couple minutes to take the bite out of the air. Five minutes...nice and toasty.
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Hammer wrote:I use a MSR International stove that burns 100LL. Not the Whisperlite...the one that sounds like a jet engine. The Whisperlite won't burn 100LL for more than a few minutes before the lead clogs it up. It sits inside a piece of household ducting I cut air holes into, with a common dryer vent hose running to the plane. Whole thing weighs around two pounds, maybe less. It'll raise the CHT and oil temps into the 50's within an hour..


Great idea Hammer!
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So, is the best MSR International stove the Dragonfly?

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jrc111 wrote:So, is the best MSR International stove the Dragonfly?

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It's the best stove I've found for preheating an airplane because it'll burn 100LL and it puts out a LOT of heat, but I despise it for cooking. It's so freakishly loud that I'd rather eat cold food than cook with it. You can't even hold a conversation within ten feet of the damn thing. The design of the airplane heater quiets it down a lot, and in that application the noise is sort of a bonus because you can instantly hear when it's gone out.
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