Scout,

My point on the 180 was that I never should have sold it, and I'd rather have a 180 than the 170, any day.

Down here, doing the kind of flying that's 99.99999 % of what I've seen in the short time I've been in the lower 48, owning a 182 would still make more sense than the 180. But, that airplane I got CHEAP, and never should have sold it. Needed an engine, and I thought I didn't need the space or speed.

If you go with the Stinsons, be prepared to deal with ratty looking fabric in a few years, and that steel tube fuselage is a big unknown. Stinsons are great airplanes, but it's a lot harder to evaluate carefully a rag and tube airplane, and mistakes in the pre-buy can be REALLY expensive.

MTV

I recently looked at two different 180's that were under $80K. They were both in very nice condition, one had 115 hrs since POH, 115SMOH. The other had less than 50 SMOH and was in very nice shape it also had a set of Gar-Aero tires on it and the guy was looking for $75K OBO. Neither one of these was set up with the latest in radios but I am not worried about that anyways because nearly all my flying is in the north country. So, I disagree with MTV....there are deals out there on 180's....just have to find them. Now, if I could just find a good deal on a SC.

As my family has gotten smaller and the kids out of the house I have re-evaluated things and doubt I could warrant the owning of a 180. I've kind of shifted my desire to something small and fast so I can go visit them when the need arises.

I have a buddy here in Montague with a super cub for sale. Problem is that as he got older he got less limber so it is tough to get in and out of. He is also 6' 2". Most likely I will stay with the 182. No offence but I think that a 170 would not measure up to all that I am used to.

Been thinking hard on this and if the itch gets me too crazy, then I will just get a Champ or a 140.

After all, what would I do without rudder trim and a horizontal stabilizer that pivots when you trim the plane for nose up. I think that the early 182's (up to 1961) are as light on the controles as anything.

For anybody that is interested, the guy selling the 170 is Dan Wilson. I will get his number or where he has it listed and post it.

Tim

qmdv,

Probably a wise choice. I also have a Champ and it is a great little plane. It is a little "souped up" though. It came with a 65 HP and now it has 115 HP.

The 182 is a great airplane. Many times I wished I had purchased one instead of my 172 but I got by with it and have no regrets. The good thing about keeping what you have ....you KNOW what you have and its little idiosyncrasies. When you buy something new you seem to start all over. Even when the NEW plane has been totally restored. Just the nature of the beast I guess.

WW

shortfielder wrote: It has probably been 17-18 years since I did mine, but I kept the T-post. Minimal radios.

Dang, didn't realize you've been a 170 guy for so long, Gary. I'd like to see some photos of your panel.

Zane,

Take a look at Selkirk Aviation's web site. They have a picture of a 170 panel there with a "Petite" center stack (above the T Bar for the controls).

To me, that's far more work than it's worth, though, unless you were pretty much starting from scratch.

I'm itching to do the same thing you're suggesting this winter, mostly to get rid of that stupid art deco panel cover that prevents you from seeing half the instruments, and to give a bit more room as well.

MTV

Have a friend that has to sell his plane. It is a 170B newly restored, very very good. Paint and upholstery 10, O360 with less than 100 hrs, new contant speed prop, Stol kit with droop wing tips, F Atlee Dodge fold up seats, bubble windows, Ponk legs, 8.00 mains, and good avionics (kx155).

He is asking 70 K. He is a highly motivated seller.

Compared to other planes (182 180 185 206 Maules SC whatever) the C170 has limitations which have already been described above.

For this particular 170B, I don't believe you can buy a 170B, restore it with new paint, upholtsry and most of all a low time 0360 engine for 70K. It would cost much more than that. I'm not saying this plane is worth 70K, but you can't make it this way for 70K.

That said, if some one wants a C170B with an 0360, this may be a good buy.

Any one have a picture of it?

Bill

qmdv wrote:I have a buddy here in Montague with a super cub for sale. Problem is that as he got older he got less limber so it is tough to get in and out of. He is also 6' 2". Most likely I will stay with the 182. No offence but I think that a 170 would not measure up to all that I am used to.

Been thinking hard on this and if the itch gets me too crazy, then I will just get a Champ or a 140.


Tim

Sounds like you made the right decision for you based on logic and reason, rather than emotion. The 182 is a great, all-around airplane.

My son has a 170B with original C-145 (older version of the O-300) and we both like it alot. It's a very easy and forgiving airplane to fly, it lands short and it's fun, but it has it's limitations with useful load and 38 gal range. The O-360 transforms the 170 into an even better backcountry airplane. A friend in AK has one with a fuselage fuel tank option and he does some impressive things with it.

Another friend has a Pponk'd straight-tail 182 with WingX extensions. He really likes the performance and gross weight increase due to the WingX kit, making it even more capable. His prop looks like heck, though. Taildraggers are so much easier on the prop.

Tim,
just to back you up on your decision, I just went from a '59 182 to a 1974 180J. Although I am grinning ear to ear with getting THE plane which I will hopefully have for as long as I fly, I noticed a DECREASE in performance compared to the early, light 182. As I've said, I could get the 182 on and off from strips a good bit shorter than my friends with their early model, light 180s. It's just a great all around airplane. Again, the reason I traded was the desire for float and ski ops (hopefully purchasing this year - here comes a new thread). I flew it in the backcountry with 4 adults, emergency gear only, for breakfast flights with plenty of performance in reserve for safety; and with all the gear and gas I could pack when carrying less people. On the flip side, I have many hours in a friends 170B w/ O-300 engine and it was very much a 2-person plane with way less reserve performance than the 182 w/ 3-4 people. Sounds like you actually do use the carrying capacity of your 182, which tells me you'd be severely disappointed to lose it. As to speeds, it is about the same as the citabria - SLOW. Agree with previous posts about the IFR capabilities. The 170 doesn't even have a heated pitot, does it? By the way, not putting down the 170, it's fun as hell to fly. It just doesn't compare with the older 182 in performance. Wondering if the previous post calling it a pig was referring to a post '61 model - heavy and without the stabilizer trim?(I would agree) Need more encouragement? Go to a couple skywagon flyins and challenge some of the folks to a short takeoff contest - you know the types. Better yet, put some money on it. That way you can walk away with confidence as well as some cash!
Cheers, Matt

qmdv wrote:For anybody that is interested, the guy selling the 170 is Dan Wilson. I will get his number or where he has it listed and post it.

I know Dan, and that airplane. Both are truly class acts.

Gump

Here is Dan's 170B in Barnstormers. It is a cherry. If when my partner in the 182B and I split up he had ended up with the plane, I would have picked this up in heartbeat. The only thing that it needs is extended bagage.


'56 170B CESSNA • $70,000 • FOR IMMEDIATE SALE • 3004 TTAF, Eng. 54 TTSOH, Prop 12 TTSOH, Cond. 9 inside & Out! Bass Bar, Jump Seats, XP Gear Legs, Clev. Brks, V-Bar, Horton STOHL kit w/flapgap, Bush conv. 180 AP w/ CS Prop, Air Tex Int., KX155 Radio w/ VOR, King Transponder Mode C, KMD150 GPS, Paint PPG Base Clear, Atley Dodge Fuel tanks, An 3/08 • Contact Dan S. Wilson - located Yreka, CA USA • Telephone: 530-842-3564 • Posted December 18, 2007 • Show all Ads posted by this Advertiser • Recommend This Ad to a Friend • Email

Couldn't figure out how to link to the add so I just copied it.


Tim

That sounds like a really, really sweet 170. I've seen much worse big engined 170s sell for that much or more.

Dan says it is a 9 inside and out. He is being too humble. More like a 9.9. Like to see sombody pick this up and show it off at Johnson Creek this year.

Tim

mtv wrote:...... I'd rather have a 180 than the 170, any day........
MTV

So what are you doing with a 170?

Zero one,

If you read my previous posts, you'd have the answer to that question.

MTV

I searched barnstormers and tradeaplane and could not find this airplane for sale. Did it sell?

I would have to agree with the posts about keeping the 182, though having taught in a 170 for a few years it is a great plane, no doubt. If you spend the money you would have on the taxes you could put a P-Ponk O-520 in your 182. Just a big liter O-470, and simple. HUGE difference in climb and 10 knot increase in cruise with only 1.5GPH increase in fuel burn to do it, or just power back to 20" to get the same speed/fuel burn. PLUS a 500 hour TBO increase, 2000 hours, is worth the few extra $ I think. You will never look back. I sound like a salesman for P-Ponk,.... geeez

Or go for the Katmai mod!!!!

We all like spending other pilots $$$$ I sure you will make the right decision.

not to hijack the thread, but since there has been some talk about 182s, I thought I'd mention that the 182 I used to have is for sale. I flew the plane for 15 years/1500 hours and was the sole owner/pilot during that time. Other than paint, I didn't do anything cosmetic. Keeping the airframe and the engine tip top are my priorities.

I sold it reluctantly 3 years ago. It's a terrific plane and I still love it. If I didn't want/need 6 seats, I would never have sold it. It's a terrific performer. I'd like to see it go to a good home. Anyway, here it is:
http://homepage.mac.com/oppempire/skylane.pdf

CAVU

What are the Atlee Dodge fuel tanks ?!?
Material, location, etc.

wanabe,

Are you referring to Cessna 170 fuel tanks? If so, Atlee doesn't make tanks for the 170.

Tank choices for the 170 are:

1) Flint wing tip tanks (these are internal, and don't extend the wing) 12.5 gallons per side
2) Exchange your tanks, or modify existing wing tanks to 50 gallon total tanks, ala 175/172. Del Aire does this, I believe
3) Baggage compartment tank. I've forgotten the manufacturer, I'm sure someone else can come up with it.

I never liked the baggage tank, cause it takes up baggage space, puts a lot of fuel in the cabin, and moves the CG aft quite a bit.

I have Flint tanks on my airplane. Works fine, though I try not to land with gas in the tips. Some flexing of wings.

MTV